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OK, people, tell me when you last contemplated Jill Stein, perennial Green Party candidate for president.

“Y’all, this is a little spicy, but I have thoughts,” said Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in a recent Instagram post criticizing Stein’s third attempt at running for president.

Truly, “a little spicy” and “Green Party candidate Jill Stein” do not often come up in the same sentence. Or paragraph. Or train of thought.

But this is the season when we start to fret a lot about third-party presidential candidates who could divert enough cranky voters from the real options to change the outcome of the election.

We will stop now for a moment to remember the Green Party’s presidential candidate in 2000, Ralph Nader, who drained just enough support from Al Gore in Florida to tip the election to George W. Bush.

Or, um, Jill Stein. Whose presence on the ballot in a few swing states was just enough to keep Hillary Clinton from beating Donald Trump in 2016.

The danger isn’t nearly as great as it was a few months ago, when it looked like the race was going to be Biden-Trump and millions of depressed voters were wondering whether to write in the name of a close friend or, hey, George Clooney.

But still, you can never tell how things might get screwed up, particularly since any outcome not involving the election of Trump is going to lead to months of legal battles and protests.

So feel free to worry about Stein — or other presidential candidates, like Cornel West, whose only major achievement this time around has been not making the ballot in Pennsylvania.

They’re not exactly building a movement, and as Ocasio-Cortez said, if “all you do is show up every four years,” you really ought to be doing something else. Maybe running for a less ridiculous office, the way Ocasio-Cortez did when she knocked off an entrenched and deeply unthrilling House veteran in 2018.

Or sign up for a night-school class. Clean the basement. Reread “War and Peace.” The options are endless. Get a life.

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 83 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Least condescending lib journalist. Hillary won the popular vote by millions, but you think Jill Stein was the reason she didn't become president? The whole reason you're always talking about swing states is because your system sucks.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you're always talking about swing states

I love how the lib op-eds whining about personal voting choices never even mention ending the Electoral College. The whiners treat the fucking thing like it's something from a fantasy novel. This malignant force is unchangeable and it will exist forever.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago

The default lib response to improve-society ”We should improve society somewhat” is very-intelligent ”That's the way things work, buddy, deal with it”.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

If Jill Stein getting fewer votes than there are people living in Philly caused Hillary to lose, Hillary deserved to lose.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

This completely inconsequential candidate was the tipping point of the election

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 79 points 1 month ago (3 children)

who drained just enough support from Al Gore in Florida to tip the election to George W. Bush.

Motherfucker, that election was rat fucked by the Supreme Court who prematurely stopped the recount. In a state who was governed by the brother of the winning presidential candidate, no less.

presence on the ballot in a few swing states was just enough to keep Hillary Clinton from beating Donald Trump

Hillary Clinton who won the popular vote? That Clinton? And who lost because of the ELECTORAL COLLEGE? The most undemocratic institution in the western world?

This shit is so disingenuous. Just tut-tutting people who want a mediocre alternative to the dictatorship of the one-party-with-two-right-wings.

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also please ignore how we are best friends with bush now

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago

And Clinton lost in states she didn't even campaign in lmaoo

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago

Clinton campaigned as if she and her party had never heard of the electoral college.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 46 points 1 month ago

still pretending it was Nader and not the Supreme Court that decided the 2000 election

agony-shivering

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The entitlement lol

Just assuming that if stein dropped out people would vote for a Democrat. Zero reflection on policy.

Also can we stop fucking reliving 2016? Hillary blew that election, nobody else

[–] bastionntb@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago

I mean, the DNC did as well. Really. Major corruption there.

[–] YEP@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Honestly, does whining about this shit not turn off more voters than the usual no tv/media coverage ignoring. It really just feels like the petulant tantrum of the lanyard class. Like Kamala is gonna win because Trump and vance are prob the worst candidates you could possibly imagine. Take your win and shut up JFC. Unbearable cryGenocidaires

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

Honestly, does whining about this shit not turn off more voters than the usual no tv/media coverage ignoring

It does and it is a "capitalist selling the rope" dialectic. It's also showing that the ruling class is not as sure as you are that "Kamala is going to win". They wouldn't do this if there was no reason to. They wouldn't send out all those darkmoney superpac lawyers to purge 3rd parties from ballots in as many states as they can either. They're paper tigers afraid we're going to starve them of the working class margins they rely on while they are instead committed to fighting over the increasingly shrinking bourgeois and petty-bourgeois voterbase with the republicans so they can still cater to the billionaire exploiters, murderers, racketeers, and death-merchants that they are structurally incapable of not serving. We should absolutely starve them, and elevate the PSL as much as possible in doing so.

[–] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We will stop now for a moment to remember the Green Party’s presidential candidate in 2000, Ralph Nader, who drained just enough support from Al Gore in Florida to tip the election to George W. Bush.

Al Gore got more votes than Bush though? He lost the election because the electoral college is fucking stupid.

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And the Supreme Court stepped in to hand the election to Bush. And Liberals just let it happen, because "Muh Institutions! Much Decorum!"

[–] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 23 points 1 month ago

Unsurprising from someone with Prescott Bush as a grandfather. I've never Googled the word "corruption" but I imagine the first result is the Bush dynasty.

[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago
[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

not voting for a single zio. never will.

[–] DBVegas@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They think if they just don't mention PSL and Claudia that no one will vote for her, we need to keep elevating PSLs visibility as much as we can. Make them confront the reality that people are sick of capitalism and zionism.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

I've mentioned this before, as others have, but how come PSL doesn't run local campaigns? Or do they and I just don't know? I don't think the Presidential campaign promotes them as much as people think or wish.

I say this as someone who wants to like the PSL, but AOC is kinda right that it's a ridiculous campaign in the vacuum of not simultaneously running for other, lower offices as well.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 month ago

What a long winded way of saying "USA is not a democracy"

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Please ignore the PSL. Please! Look at this green thing over here! You kids like green things, right?!

-NYTAOC

[–] drinkinglakewater@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago

The Democratic Party being anti democracy is a great bit, very funny

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

“a little spicy” and “Green Party candidate Jill Stein” do not often come up in the same sentence. Or paragraph. Or train of thought.

Stein being spicy in her quibs has been going on since at least 2016. Thank you very much.

Al Gore was billdawg"s VP and Billy boy had "the left" pissed off as fuck for screwing over labor and being a womanizing predator. So you had Clinton baggage attached to him. After the Democrats have now done all this work to rehabklitate Bush andn Cheney by becoming the party of Bush and Cheney this Nader blaming attack seems even more hollow.

Speaking of Bush - his father was the head of the CIA and GW wasn't elected - he was annoined by the Supreme Court. So fuck off.

Then you had another Clinton hillgasm do this brillant Pied Piper Strategy of colluding with the media propping Trump up to make him viable. So inevitability they will rehabilitate Trump too as the ratchet effect continues and the Democrats go from the party of Clinton to the party of Bush and Cheney to the party of Trump.

Each stage is the Democrats pushing away from the left, propping up the right, then moving right under protest of the left, then blaming the left when they inevitability lose elections for not following the Democrats off a fascist cliff.

Deeeeeeply unserious. clown

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Al Gore didn’t do himself any favors by picking Joe Lieberman as his VP.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

No he did not.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

Ok I'll spend election day cleaning the basement instead of voting 👍

[–] brainw0rms@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

holy shit im so owned

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago
[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I actually laughed out loud at that title, lol

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

I saw the headline and I was pretty close to ignoring the link. Why bother? Headlines are SEO garbage and they are always written by editors not writers. I assumed the article was a dull, badly written screed that probably had forced humor of the sort libs love. The NYT churns that shit out. Years ago Gail Collins' op-eds were pathetic but bad in a funny way. But then she started to churn out dreck that wasn't even funny.

Yet somehow I clicked the link anyway. I almost started laughing when I started to read it. It was short, awful, and it made me laugh. Perfect.

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I have posters regret. Maybe I should have put it in c/copypasta with the spoiler tag saying it was an NYT op-ed written by Gail Collins.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You know how some countries do that thing where you get an ink stain on your hand or forehead or wherever to show you voted?

We should do that in the US too except instead of ink its the blood of all the Palestinian children that people voting for the Dems or the GOP will have on their hands. Make it a literal thing instead of a figurative thing.

Get a life is the best comeback libs got? Folks I'm sorry to tell you but being called a nerd stopped hurting me like 20 years ago. Gonna have to do better than that

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

“Y’all, this is a little spicy, but I have thoughts,”

You mean Pelosi has thoughts

[–] JuanGLADIO@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Jorgensen won it for Biden lol

Let’s say 60% of her voters went to Trump:

Georgia, Wisconsin and Arizona flip to Trump and it’s 269-269 in the electoral college with the state delegations being in control of the GOP 26-22 (2 states tied)