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[–] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 151 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Eh, rabbit could be cis. Up to rabbit to tell us how they identify. Sometimes men like to look pretty too :3

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 94 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Yep. I find this "female clothes => they're trans" pretty questionable. Because… clothes have no gender. Men can wear dresses and heels as well.
And that goes for cis and trans men, I also know some trans guys that just like wearing a skirt.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am 100% cis straight man; I have been dressed up in drag more than once in my life and even went out in public with it. Its fun! Getting to wear pretty and cute outfits and whatnot.10/10 would do again.

So I totally know where Bugs is coming from in this and it is NO indication of his self-identity.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Was gonna say as a man that doesn't mind getting sissied for a kink scene, I'm 100% cis, and I agree with your assessment.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Agreed. Getting topped in a wig? Just some good straight fun right there

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Ha! I didn't say anything about straight.

I agree, but I think this usually comes from a place of Bugs Bunny being many trans women's first introduction to something outside the gender norm, and so they project that back onto the character.

That, or they're t4t and Bugs dressing up made them feel funny as kids in the same way that Robinhood from that one Disney movie did with furries.

Remember when crossdressing existed?

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

To be fair, there's obviously something more than the clothes the changed here, it's how da wabbit wears them. Look at that profile:

[–] rbits@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Agree. Bugs doesn't normally have boobs though. I feel like that's a bit different. Still doesn't have to mean someone's trans though.

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is cis a spectrum? or is that one extreme end

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It just means "not transgender."

Someone could be a crossdresser but still be cisgender.

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Is transgender a spectrum?

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cis and trans are Latin prefixes and opposites of each other - cis basically translating out to "same" and trans being "different." To be cis means to be the same gender that the doctor assigned you when you were born, while trans people transition to a gender different from their assigned gender. So you can't be on a spectrum of more trans or less trans because you're transitioning to x, y, or z.

There are spectrums that people choose from, though, if you want to get into some of the finer details. Some people use the prefix demi, meaning "partially" (like in demigod), to signify a gender that they most closely relate to but don't feel properly identifies them. Like somebody who is a demigirl most closely relates to being a woman, but doesn't feel like womanhood fits them. This is why the umbrella term non-binary exists, for people who feel like they fall somewhere outside the traditional designated roles of "man" or "woman" and more closely relate to a secret, third thing.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i think trans- denotes "change" or "movement", right? trans-isomers are usually rotated from their cis state, trans-portation moves things between areas, trans-lation changes the language of a text.

all to say, i think the change in and of itself is significant, and not everyone who's outside the "norm" feels a need to do it. there should probably be another term for that. too bad "heterogendered" conjures the imagery that it does.

You're right, that's the more accurate definition. A state of change, moving from one state of being to a new one.

I think trans still works fine in this context because gender is a cultural label designated to you entirely based on what the doctor thought at the time of your birth and what society assumes from things like secondary sex characteristics and behavior, and the cis label was retroactively applied to describe "anybody who isn't trans" after the trans label had been in use for decades. So there's nothing really scientific behind the label beyond the concept of that state of change. Gender itself is a cultural concept instead of a state of being too (as well as a performance that we do every moment of our lives) and so falls more into an active event than a passive state.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't know if you could call it a spectrum, but there are certainly more types of transgender people than cisgender. MTF, FTM, gender fluid, non-binary, and maybe even more. I wouldn't say there are degrees of transgenderism, tho. You are or you aren't.

Sexuality, on the other hand, is definitely a spectrum.

[–] FMC8456@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

It's definitely more complicated than cis or trans being a binary, I should know since I'm Isogender, neither cis nor trans. Not sure if gender modality is a spectrum though.

Gender is a spectrum, but trans just means not cis, with cis meaning identifying with your assigned at birth gender.

[–] FMC8456@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Not exactly a spectrum but there are modalities in-between or that are neither cis or trans i.e. Isogender, what I am.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 104 points 1 month ago

As an immortal entity of chaos, Bugs Bunny rejects your ideas of gender norms.

[–] Ostrakon@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Kinda reductive, no? All it takes for a man to be trans is wearing heels?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Boy, imagine when some people find out why heels were invented in the first place

  • It was for horse riders, who were almost exclusively men across Eurasian cultures
[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago

Yes but then we discovered it makes your calves fabulous.

Then men started wearing full trous, and women started wearing high dresses and skirts, where men wore the shorts and women went full length before.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's like the concept of cross dressers just vanished

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I agree, it's really not great. Gender should be defined by how the person feels and identifies, not by how they dress.

[–] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

was heat stroke not a thing back then?

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Not as much as it is today.

[–] fhqwgads@possumpat.io 6 points 1 month ago

There's a pretty large combination of factors that went on from what I remember. Partly it just plain didn't get that hot that often in the UK or France back then. Partly they wore entirely different undergarments that layered to keep sweat off their actual clothes and keep them cool. Partly the summer clothes were often flowy or puffy which helped move air near the skin. And partly the fabrics they wore were different. Things like linen and cotton were the go tos. Even the linen itself was different, modern linen has shorter fibers and is much lighter.

After the great renunciation (when men started wearing the modern(ish) suit) you start to see a lot more references to taking off layers either to cool off or to keep them clean or whatever. You also start to see variations in really hot places like the American deep south and Bermuda to deal with climates that get way way hotter than Europe with its nearby seas and cooling prevailing winds.

Please note that all of this may be wrong and I am entirely going off what I can remember off the top of my head.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Climate change.

[–] dessimbelackis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

There was a period of about a century where temps were lower across Europe called the little ice age. Don’t know if any of these portraits fall in that time frame tho

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I for one believe Bugs is Cis and thus is the worlds biggest drag queen icon.

[–] dessimbelackis@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Bugs bunny is the most celebrated drag performer in American history

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

/s because I know someone will think I'm serious

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Rabbit doesn't truck with human genders

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 30 points 1 month ago

Those were simpler times, where some adults weren't so insecure they could get offended by cross-dressing.

And then they killed all the Satyr plays because forced insecurities is a great way to make malleable societies upon which to build an empire to benefit the few.

/dpostb4ileav

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Bugs has married Elmerseveral times

[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago
[–] prowe45@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago

Hey Wayne, did you ever find Bugs Bunny attractive when he put on a dress and played a girl bunny?

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

In that case, neither are Trump or Cruz with their heels.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Is his descendant "Ace" cis?