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So no change for Russia then.
Yeah, I'm going to need a translation check on them dropping "stormtroopers" specifically.
The term predates star wars, if that's what you're thinking. Star wars got the term from actual fascist regimes. According to Google translate, they probably used the term штурмовой отдел.
I'm aware, and I'm also aware that Russian media almost certainly isn't going to use the same term they would apply to Nazi troops when calling Ukraine Nazis is their entire casus belli and the Soviet contributions to WW2 are so important to Russian national identity.
"They probably used" means you don't know what they used.
What term did they actually use?
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, it's always hard to know what really happened when dealing with this kinda stuff in the media. In this English version they say,
a Russian government official said...The official, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity due to concerns for personal safety.
Here's the Russian version of the article (which uses штурмовики) where they instead say,
a Russian government official explained to The Moscow Times.
So it sounds like they're not quoting a public statement from the Kremlin, but someone on the inside feeding information to this outlet. Allegedly. Could be that person's wording, or could be the outlet's "interpretation".
Sturmtruppen was the German word for 'assault troops', much like sturmgewehr is their word for 'assault rifle' which was adopted by everyone else.
It means troops to storm a position, the heaviest troops for assaults.
We'd call them assault forces, or honestly, just marines (amphibious assault corps).
Hitler had a bunch of paramilitary followers (think Trump and his Jan 6 crowd) called the sturmabteilingen (sp?), which translated to storm troopers, because he thought it sounded impressive.
He later betrayed and murdered them, to curry favor with the army, which is so Hitler.
Yes, and as such, it's rather unlikely for Russian propaganda to drop a translation of that term for their own troops, but hey, everyone makes mistakes.
Just going to point out: russian culture doesnt use nazi in the same way we do; largely they dont view nazis as ontologically bad because of the bigotry or the antisemitism or the genocide of many peoples, but because they were an existential threat to russia or russian ethnicities. a lot of the associations westerners have about nazis are just not widespread in russia. this is why there are a lot of seemingly idiosyncratic phrasings in this kind of stuff.
It's a commonly used term now, just like Assault Rifle from Sturmgewehr.
It's become verbed, like googling.
No, it is not, except for fascists.
A storm trooper is a member of storm troops, also called shock troops, which are trained for sudden assaults. They carried out attacks in World War I and in World War II, and they were a politica militia of the Nazi party (see Sturmabteilung or Brownshirts). The English storm troops is a direct translation of the German Sturmtruppen.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/storm-trooper
They were called storm troopers because they were the ones who stormed trenches during an assault.
It wasn't considered a bad thing then, they were considered the elite.
I don't know what to tell you if you haven't picked up that storm and lightning imagery is important in its own right to Nazi propaganda.
Yeah, it is.
But I don't know what to tell you, the term predates the nazis by quote a bit.
They adopted it, but it was known from the age of dragoons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_troops
The sacred band of thebes were considered shock troops, and I'd suggest that's closer to what the Russian idiots meant.
But I also wouldn't be surprised if they were just copying the nazis without knowing.
It sucks knowing there's going to be kids indoctrinated like this. I don't honestly understand the Russians' long-term goals either. At this point, they're self destructing. I don't see how this can end well for anyone involved
The point makes sense if you’re inside Putler’s mind I’m sure; if you can’t win the game you’re in, change the rules. He’d rather be feared and no 1 asshole than being a mid tier economy in the western game.
@tardigrada I hope the fucker in Kremlin will leave us as soon as possible. It just all feels like a bad dream that you can't believe it's real...
This is just the delusions of a deranged man. No country can e perpetually at war. Eventually, something gives way, and there's no way Russia will ever win a war with the West.
So Russians can be in perpetual war and suffer for an indefinite amount of time, or simply just get rid of Putin ..
What the hell are they waiting for? why isn't Putin behind bars already.