Network Neutrality and Digital Inclusion

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Google is blocking Tor and most (if not all Invidious instances) from reaching Youtube - how should the fedi respond to this DoS? (www.ggtyler.dev)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by soloActivist@links.hackliberty.org to c/netneutrality@sopuli.xyz

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When Google sabotages network neutrality by blocking Tor and Invidious instances, is it wise for the fedi to facilitate the sharing of #Youtube links?

Fedi instance operators would probably not tolerate links into Facebook’s walled-garden if people were to start polluting an otherwise open community with them. So Youtube links should probably be treated with contempt during periods where Google’s DoS attack is underway.

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Google and youtube are shitty companies.

But I dont understand how blocking external clients would infringe on net neutrality?

[–] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 11 points 2 months ago

It's not. Net neutrality is about treating all network packets equally during transmission. Like mobile data operators giving free social media.

Server owners blocking traffic from certain IPs is not that at all.

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would argue that google's size, position, and status as something approaching monopoly for the service of routing internet traffic assigns it to a position somewhere among the order of ISPs. In fact, now I consider it, it very much is an ISP in the original sense, too: google fiber is a thing (or maybe was- did they kill that, too?). On that basis, its blocking invidious and tor are very much in violation of the spirit and the letter of net neutrality. Then again, they killed the law, so.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

youtube is cancer

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm commenting to follow this discussion. I've used invidious, and freetube for years to avoid being tracked by yt. But that strategy doesn't work as well as it used to. How shall we proceed?

[–] LunchMoneyThief@links.hackliberty.org 1 points 2 months ago

If they succeed in fully blocking mitigations, then I will simply drop youtube (and the content it holds hostage) from my life. I've done this with other proprietary abusers.

[+] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i'm downvoting everything youtube with few exceptions for rare important things. decades ago i had a youtube channel, but it soon became embarrassing among all this clickbait.

[–] soloActivist@links.hackliberty.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Down-voting every youtube link is indeed the only individual action that can be taken in the current system. It could theoretically lead to a YT link being folded or sunk lower. Tricky though because people should know why their YT links get down-voted. Ideally you would be able to tell them in a response. But I think I know how that would go: people with digital inclusion principles have actually become a diluted small minority in the fedi. A flood of lemmy.world folks who would follow the crowd off a cliff would down-vote your reply and up-vote the YT link in solidarity of their favorite walled gardens.

You could DM the reason for down-voting. But then the problem does not get the exposure it needs.

The fedi has evolved like Burning Man. The movement was true to its founding principles early on but as the crowd grew over the years it became enshittified faster than a digital rights subculture could take hold.

BTW, I should mention that sh.itjust.works is also a centralised Cloudflare node.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

other nodes shut down within a few weeks after i registered. also i think it depends how people use cloudflare and why. it offers a lot of settings and if someone gets DDOSed from russia or china all the time, cloudflare can help them.

[–] soloActivist@links.hackliberty.org 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

better than what? I’m not understanding your comparison here.