I love how unrealized gains are worth enough to borrow against, but somehow don't count as wealth for the purpose of taxation. Funny how that works.
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"Okay imagine spending $100,000"
I literally can't imagine doing this at any point in my life, ever.
"At least 100 million in wealth"
Lol. Lmao, even. Are libs allergic to reading?
Chuds especially. Dems sometimes read a lot, but only from their little silos of pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-progressive slop.
After years of reading Paul Krugman op-eds I'm basically an economist
yes
Gorbachev in Russia would have thought it was a radical speech.
- he spent most of his last decades in Germany iirc
- he was a liberal
- he's dead
- he's dead
Not to Newt Gingrich, he’s not. Rent-free afterlife.
These people are fighting a late-80’s Cold War with a non-existent adversary.
I saw someone posting something similar about this and a person replied “you don’t make enough money to be concerned about this” and they were like “you don’t know what I’m cooking! I’m certain I’ll be in this tax bracket by the next sitting president!” Lol
That's been a conservative talking point for years. That if it weren't for [insert generic bad person here] you'd have a million dollars and a boat and 6 houses.
I'm amazed how many people still fall into it.
I propose 10000% capital gains tax if someone makes over $100m.
Once your income hits that point you prestige and have to start over as a McDonald's worker
I refuse to believe any proposed policies from a democrat. They can offer anything they want and know they won't pass it because a parliamentarian will find the blue suit rule in effect on the day it's proposed (oops the tax code can't be amended if there is someone wearing a blue suit in Congress on that day, sorry hands are tied everyone, we do want progress though).
All they're going to do is tax cuts and wonder why they can't fund anything. Also bump that military spending up another 500 billion or so gotta make sure we're extra lethal and threatening to everyone.
But that money is protecting freedom!*
By giving Israel $ to kill more kids
This would never happen
Half the top donors to the Dems are hedge funds
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/top-organizations
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors
This worked when they made everyone afraid of the estate tax, even though that only applies to the richest 2,000 or so deaths a year.
I like how the title to that post is just describing property taxes that every home owner already pays.
Anyone with $100 million is going to be able to evade the taxes anyway.
There's a hostage approach to how bourgeoisie and bootlickers alike talk about that: "don't try to tax milord, or milord will evade more taxes and you'll be sorry!"
How many fucking people with $100m+ would even keep their investments in their personal name?
Anyway, wacky proposal that they know will never get up
Yeah, it's 100% shit because these kinds of people have family offices incorporated to handle their assets.
Think it's for people with extremely high net worths ($100 million+).
It's also a recipe for owning nothing. Nothing solid or fungible. You would look at a Thing, and say, this is going to cost me This Much. If its value goes up. And inflation is going to happen, so of course its numerical value is going to go up.
From t_d thread and the tax doesn't apply to "things" it applies to stocks. And the bit about how you would consider how much owning a thing would cost over time including inflation is already how assets are valued.
Yeah I’m like 175% sure that they’d be able write off drops in the value of the stock.
My concern with this idea is, how exactly are they calculating the value each year? Average value over the calendar year, value at end of CY, value at YTD from the original purchase? If done wrong it could lead to gaming of the market such that when it’s time to calculate the value, the market always happens to be in a dip then, very odd.
Yeah I’m like 175% sure that they’d be able write off drops in the value of the stock.
Yeah, the "taxes on gains that no longer exist" argument, betrays their basic lack of understanding about how taxes on assets work. Do they just not understand that capital losses offset the tax burden of the gains?
I wonder if some of this confusion happens because most people don't have exposure to anything beyond income and property taxes?
That's exactly what it is. Everyone that complains about this has only ever had to deal with a W2 or 1099 form. They don't understand that as you get richer, you have so many different avenues to avoid paying taxes.
Yep, it's also why the politicians and their idiotic "balance the government spending like a household budget" talk has traction. Most people don't understand how this stuff works at the higher echelons. This stuff goes way beyond what "kitchen table economics" can parse.
balance the government spending
God I fucking hate this. Both parties harp on about it, too. They'll both talk about their plans to "balance the budget." That's not how government spending works. Most of the money is money the government owes to itself. It's one of the benefits of fiat currency. Unfortunately, anything the government does is a gommunism and we can't have that or else the terrorists will win.
it's all moot, this ain't passing. if it actually made it to her desk she just wouldn't sign it.
The other question would be which stocks would be included in a scheme, because stocks with low liquidity would be even simpler to game to rack up unrealised tax losses
fucking hilarious that they don't point out it only applies to those with 100 million, like to these people 100,000 is just throw away gambling money. even 50,000 is more money than i'll ever likely have at one time in my entire life, it would be life-changing to have that much money, and i'm a fairly privileged first world failson.
You underestimate the immense class solidarity the bourgeoisie have with each other. A slight on billionaires is treated as a slight on all privileged classes, particularly in the global north.
Hurting [...] economic growth
How
"Noooo! You don't understand, it's MY capital to sit on and do nothing with!"
This will 1000% never pass. The logistics are impossible
It's for publicly traded shares, so it really doesn't seem impossible. Logistics seem about as complicated as paying income tax on income received in a foreign currency.
Or in other words...it forces capital to do its job?
Want captialism? Sorry, you're going to have to make regulations to encourage, if not outright force porky to do his job. If labor unions come under scrutiny because withholding labor hurts the economy, then the same logic must also apply to capital.
The only real job of capital is to transfer wealth from workers to capitalists.
Trying to make Harris cooler than she is again, smh.
lmao i love when it only effects 100 million in wealth but they try to think about the average poor american family having their house appreciate