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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 92 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I just want to point out the irony that the UK is being fussy about a piece of their history being moved out of their country.

[–] ravhall 8 points 2 months ago

They should be very familiar with how failed countries get sacked.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 75 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

UK should have no say in this, Turing was a hero of WW2 mathematics and philosophy. But UK betrayed him and ultimately killed him by medical malpractice forced on him based on intolerance and bigotry.

We have similar intolerant bigoted psychopaths in government today in many countries, they usually label themselves conservative or republican.

[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure almost any other places on this Earth would've done the same at that period of time though, and UK also apologized later on, which doesn't really mean anything for the dead but at least there's that.

Them being sensitive over their national treasure getting out however is pretty funny.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

almost any other places on this Earth would’ve done the same at that period of time

Are you sure? Seems to me the Victoria complex is especially pronounced in English speaking countries.

https://www.equaldex.com/timeline/1940s

1945 Homosexual activity becomes legal in Poland.
1944 Homosexual activity becomes legal in Belgium and Sweden.
1942 Same-sex marriage becomes unrecognized in Italy.
1940 Homosexual activity becomes legal in Iceland.

Sure there are ups and downs around the world, but Turing was fucking surveilled and raided for it by police!!!
That's next level bigotry.

There is no reason to apologize for UK for their despicable behavior. If other countries did it too, it would obviously be equally despicable.
Saying it was" the times", kind of makes it OK for people to do the same today, the period where it was legal was just "the times".

There are strong moral arguments to allowing same sex marriage, and none against. Don't trivialize it! And allow bigotry to be an acceptable standard depending on "trends".

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

Not so fun when the shoes on the other foot huh? glances at British Museum

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

UK reminds me of the borderline personality book: I hate you, don't leave me

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth -4 points 2 months ago

Pretty much any nation state, afaict.

[–] odin@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seems like if the UK government doesn't want them sold to a foreign party then the UK government should purchase them and keep them safe.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, that kind of seems like a dick move to whoever owns them. If something truly has that kind of value to a country, I really think that a country should be prepared to purchase it.

Besides, unless it's in some kind of museum or something -- which the government buying it could ensure -- then it's not as if anyone's deriving a whole lot of benefit from it. Is there truly any benefit to the country at large if Artifact X is in a private collection...just a British collection?