What franchises do you consider part of the "pillars" of popular culture? : asklemmy

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Semi-serious answer. Greeks like Homer and Euripades and Virgil, the bible, Shakespeare. Lots of Western pop culture is a rehash of old stuff.

Answering the question more as you likely intended. Pokemon. Harry Potter. Star Wars. The MCU.

From what I suspect is due to my personal bubble, Star Trek; ST pops up several times per week in my life. And Twilight, I've got a group of friends who are queer and will jam a Team Alice or KStew reference in at every opportunity. It seems like the rest of the world has moved on from Twilight love and Twilight hate, but this group is keeping the discourse alive.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

FWIW, I’m seeing a lot of Twilight reflection going on right now that’s not unlike the Star Wars prequel reflection from a few years ago. It’s definitely being revisited.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The big ones that really cross at least a few age brackets, have wide general recognition and probably aren't going anywhere in the near future (I may take some liberties with what I consider to be a franchise) in no particular order-

Star wars

James Bond

Lord of the rings

Sherlock Holmes

Batman

Superman

Spiderman

Mission Impossible

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

Indiana Jones

Back to the Future

The Karate Kid

A Nightmare on Elm Street

Friday the 13th

Child's Play

It

Rambo

Rocky

Jurassic Park

The Matrix

The Terminator

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Transformers

The Simpsons

Barbie

GI Joe

He-Man/Masters of the universe

Mickey Mouse

Toy Story

Looney Tunes

King Kong

Godzilla

Planet of the Apes

Mad Max

The Muppets

The Godfather

Ghostbusters

Alien

Star Trek

Robocop

Frankenstein

Dracula

Tarzan

Conan the Barbarian

Jaws

Harry Potter

The Incredible Hulk

The Dollars Trilogy

Sesame Street

The Hannibal Lecter series

MASH

I think in general, most people have at least heard of these properties, would probably recognize at least a few of the main characters, objects, logos, memes, quotes, the theme song, etc. they've probably made some reference to them, and could give at least a vague explanation about what they're about or what the major themes are whether or not they've actually seen/read the source material

In general, I'm kind of counting a franchise as something that has had at least 3 major installments, iterations, episodes, series, remakes, reboots, etc. so a stand alone book, movie, etc. wouldn't count, nor would a book or movie and a sequel, a book and a movie adaptation, etc. A book, a movie adaptation, and a reboot movie would, a film trilogy would,a tv series would, a movie that's been rebooted/remade a couple times would.

Barbie feels like a weird one on this list to me, unlike GI Joe who's had pretty big movies and cartoons and such that make it pretty hard to argue that it's a franchise, most of Barbie's notoriety comes from the dolls themselves and I'd be kind of hesitant to label a line of toys as a franchise instead of a brand, sure there's been animated movies and video games and such, but none of them had really been particularly noteworthy. And I wouldn't feel quite right labeling, for example, Lego as a franchise despite having had pretty considerable success with movies and video games and such. But the character of Barbie, branding, marketing, etc. kind of puts her in the same league as Mickey mouse and I just felt like she belonged on the list.

Some of the classic characters - Frankenstein, Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, are arguably not really a franchise, there's not necessarily one company or person who owns their likeness and is marketing them, but they loom large enough in the public consciousness that I think they deserve to be mentioned in this list as well

I tried to keep this relatively universal, though I'm sure my biases as a cis straight white American millennial male showed through in places. There's a lot of franchises that form pillars of pop culture for specific demographics but not necessarily in general, and I tried to stay away from them, but a few of them just felt significant enough to me to warrant inclusion, in particular I kind of question how much general appeal He-Man has, for example, but I feel like if you say "He-Man" everyone has a mental image of the character seared into their brain (personally, I'm not sure I've ever even seen a whole episode of He-Man or really engaged with any masters of the universe media in general, but there he is in my brain and I don't really know how he got there)

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

As a 40+ year old white American, I agree with most of this list (I’d reduce “Hannibal Lecter series” down to just “Silence of the Lambs”), but if I were to ask my 6–12 year old kids about these, I feel like they wouldn’t know who 1/3rd of these are. I’d be curious to see if there was a common thread or set of threads between all of these that point to what traits our Western society value/avoid or what makes a successful franchise in the West.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

They probably haven't seen a lot of them and may not recognize the names off the top of their head, but I have a hunch that if/when they do see them, damn each and every one is going to give them a couple little aha moments where they recognize that something else they've seen has parodied or referenced these movies, or that it's where a meme comes from.

And I'd agree that Silence of the Lambs is probably the most important of the series by a longshot, but one book and a movie adaptation does not a franchise make in my mind and I think that Hannibal Lecter is a big enough character in the public mind (because the Silence of the Lambs movie) that the series as a whole kind of gets a pass

[–] Baku@aussie.zone 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm 17, and either dislike or don't know most of them. Here's my thoughts on most of them, if anybody's curious:

Star wars - don't like it

James Bond - never seen it

Lord of the rings - never seen ir

Sherlock Holmes - don't like it

Batman - hate it

Superman - never seen it

Spiderman - don't like it

Mission Impossible -never seen of it

Mario - played and enjoyed Mario kart, that's about it

Zelda - never seen it

Pokemon - never seen it

Indiana Jones - don't like it

Back to the Future - I saw it but don't really remember anything from it, mostly forgettable

The Karate Kid - I watched it when I was too young to care, but I think I'd like it if I watched it now

A Nightmare on Elm Street - liked it

Friday the 13th - I know it, but can't remember if I've seen it

Child's Play - watched one of them, got bored halfway through

It - liked it

Rambo - liked it

Rocky - never seen it

Jurassic Park - seen it, no strong feelings

The Matrix - got bored by the 30 minute mark and turned it off

The Terminator - never seen it

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - don't like it

Transformers - never seen (or played?) it

The Simpsons - seen most of it, love some of it

Barbie - heard the song, nothing more

GI Joe - not a clue who/what that is

He-Man/Masters of the universe - as above

Mickey Mouse - I sometimes watched Mickey mouse club house before school, but wasn't a huge fan

Toy Story - I watched (and liked) the first two

Looney Tunes - liked it

King Kong - I've heard of it but don't know if it's a toy or a tv show or what

Godzilla - I saw one of the sequels and enjoyed it

Planet of the Apes - never seen it

Mad Max - never seen it, but I live in Australia and like the outback, so this gets quoted at me at least monthly

The Muppets - I think the Muppets had a cameo in toy story or something, but I don't really know much about it

The Godfather - I really really tried to watch and enjoy this earlier this year. I turned my phone off so I wouldn't get distracted, I sat down, I ordered a pizza, I did my very best to watch and enjoy it, but I was so mind numbingly bored by the hour and a half mark that I gave up

Ghostbusters - I think I've seen bits and pieces

Alien - no, but I have seen ET

Star Trek - I don't know or care what the difference is between this and star war

Robocop - I watched one of them on late night tv a few years ago, when I was around half the age it was classified for. Barely remember it

Frankenstein - never seen (or read?) it

Dracula - never seen

Tarzan - never seen

Conan the Barbarian - never even heard of it

Jaws - I saw one

Harry Potter - hate it

The Incredible Hulk - hate ir

The Dollars Trilogy - not a clue who or what this is

Sesame Street - don't like it

The Hannibal Lecter series - don't know who or what this is

MASH - I'm pretty sure this was always on after the Simpsons finished at 7, and everybody loves Raymond was on before. I didn't like either of them. But then again, I was 5 or 6 and only interested in the Simpsons and nothing else, so I probably wasn't the target audience

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you on rumspringa or do you guys have internet now?

[–] Baku@aussie.zone 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I take it this is a reference to... Something, but I can't figure it out. What?

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Rumspringa is a rite of passage for the Amish, I think they’re saying you’re disconnected from society, though that kind of gets at what I was saying about my kids. Younger generations are more connected now than any previous generation, but they just don’t care as much about what the older generations were into. While you’re aware of most of the big franchises through cultural osmosis, like what the original commenter was saying, it’s not a priority. For me and my generation that feels odd I think, at least growing up for me I went through a period of trying to get exposed to those big cultural landmarks, music, movies, tv, and books. I assumed those things must’ve gotten popular with the older cool kids for a reason, so I wanted to experience it for myself, if just to be able to understand the odd reference when it came up.

[–] Baku@aussie.zone 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if they meet your criteria for a franchise, but any forum based website (including Reddit, Lemmy, etc) always ends up with at least 1 office, friends, or IT crowd reference somewhere in the thread. They're definitely essential pop culture pillars, even if they don't qualify as franchises

I've still never seen any of them though

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think by the definition I gave they'd qualify as a franchise, although for those 3 properties it kind of feels a little wrong to me and maybe I need to rethink my definition a little because they're kind of self-contained shows, they don't really branch out into anything larger than themselves.

Personally I think the IT crowds appeal is somewhat limited, at least in the US (it may have more widespread appeal in its native UK, I genuinely don't know,) to sort of the nerd/techy demographic. The lines certainly get blurry because nerdy types have a lot of influence on how memes spread, but I don't know that it has the same impact on pop culture in general as the other two.

I'm also not certain how much staying power friends has outside of the people who were watching it or at least remember it being on when it first aired. I'm not exactly plugged into what gen z and alpha are watching, but i don't think I hear it come up amongst them very often, and I'm not even sure younger millennials care for it all that much.

The office I think has probably cemented it's place in pop culture whether we consider it a franchise or not. Which is kind of a shame for me personally, because I could never get into it.

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

The IT Crowd is boosted by having a quote that's genuinely a best first-response to IT problems.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm of an age where I agree with almost everything on this list. I don't know that It deserves a place though, and despite extensive media consumption I've never heard of The Dollars Trilogy or Child's Play.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Child's play- Chucky the killer doll

Dollars Trilogy - A Fistfull of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. I did kind of waffle on this one a bit, but I ultimately decided to include it if for no other reason than because whether youve actually seen it or even realize it you probably have The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly's theme song seared into your head as pretty much the western movie song.

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lord of the rings, Star Trek, James Bond, Sherlock Homes, Super Mario and Grand Theft Auto

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I’d add Agatha Christie to the Sherlock Holmes/James bond subcategory too

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd add game of Thrones. It was a cultural phenomenon when it came out. Oh, and the Simpsons.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Thrones is fading fast. It will be gone in ten years. Unlike Lord of the Rings, there's no new generation watching it.

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think it will be like "Dallas". It will be really big for one generation.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not even one generation, the entire runtime is not even 10 years, and you'd have to be in a rather small age bracket to get the full brunt of the "cultural" impact. My parents' generation watched it, but it wasn't really all that different from everything else for them.

It's actually super interesting to see the fall of GoT. It fell into oblivion almost immediately after the last season finished.

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

It's really wild. Even in my own life we watched each of the first six seasons over and over while waiting for new ones. By the end of it I felt no need. I barely remember how it ended and have no desire to watch it. Kind of sucks, I think I'm right in that age bracket that it was a big deal for. No lasting impact. Like Avatar

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I was waiting for it all to come out before I watched it. Then the consensus was that it wasn't worth watching.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

You should definitely watch it.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

I waited too, and it was worth it.

The last... two seasons-ish drop off in terms of pacing ridiculously, which causes the overall plot to suffer as they rush to the finish. There's also a bunch of stuff about how everything ends that feels cheap because while it's a believable state for everything to end up in, it isn't earned or worked towards. The show is usually a slow burn punctuated by the occasional "big shit happens suddenly", while the final seasons are just speeding along with no time to examine character motivations etc. Stuff that was hinted at previously jumps from "are they hinting that?" straight to "oh, yeah, it's that. And about 10x the level they hinted at".

That said, there's still a TON of good content in the show up until the end.

[–] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Its basically gone and died already. It's as if it never existed to almost everyone, even those who watched it first time are not re-watching it.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What are you basing these statements on exactly?

I've re-watched GoT multiple time, so have my friends. There's House of the Dragon and at least one another spin-off in the works.

[–] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 2 points 3 months ago

This summarises it well https://www.whattowatch.com/features/how-game-of-thrones-disappeared-from-the-pop-culture-landscape

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Alien because of HR Giger's iconic art style, among other things. Also Frank Herbert's Dune, the first planned film adaptation of which Giger also worked on (sometimes considered as the best movie that was never made). In addition to the cultural influence that the book series already had, Dune also more or less spawned the real-time strategy computer game genre (with Westwood Studios' Dune II).

[–] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Such a shame the remake with Moebius and Dali (among others) wasn't made.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Yes, Dali would have been great as the emperor.

But Jodorowsky's unfinished Dune project still had a significant influence on several major science fiction films and media, despite never being completed:

Alien (1979)

Dan O'Bannon, who worked on Jodorowsky's Dune, later wrote the Alien script
H.R. Giger's designs for Dune inspired his work on the Xenomorph
The Alien Xenomorph's design has roots in Giger's Harkonnen Castle concept for Dune

Star Wars (1977)

George Lucas was reportedly influenced by the Dune storyboards and designs
Jabba the Hutt's appearance may have been inspired by Baron Harkonnen's design

Blade Runner (1982)

Ridley Scott hired Dan O'Bannon and Moebius, who had worked on Jodorowsky's Dune, to help create the futuristic world

Contact (1997)

The opening space sequence was allegedly inspired by Jodorowsky's planned opening for Dune

The Incal (1980s graphic novel series)

Jodorowsky and artist Moebius recycled many concepts from their Dune work into this influential comic series

Check out the documentary "Jodorowsky's Dune" (2013). It explores how the pre-production work and assembled team for this unrealized film went on to influence much of modern science fiction cinema. It's worth a watch.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Harry Potter, Grand Theft Auto and Fallout (from the third one on).

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fallout (from the third one on).

If it wasn't for the TV Show most of my acquaintances wouldn't know about it... Are you sure Fallout deserved to be in that podium?

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

What would you replace it with?

ER?

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

Fallout (from the third one on).

WTF? Why from the third one on?

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 3 points 3 months ago

The Simpsons

Star Wars

LOTR

MCU / DC (both franchises are huge and span decades)

Barbie ( girls have been playing with these dolls and following their trends for generations)

Disney Classics (not sure if this counts as a franchise?)

I can think of at least ten more franchises that are solid and influential but that either need a couple more decades or a bigger following to match the aforementioned ones

[–] eightpix@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

This is an impossible question to answer. But, I'll give it a shot anyway. I've expanded the meaning of "franchise" to include "all properties sublicensable for the purposes of profiteering."

If "popular culture" refers to the recognizable and persistent elements of living in society that the majority people share in common without having to communicate that recognition, I'd regard the following franchises as having broad impact worldwide:

McDonalds/Subway and all attendant advertising as a signpost for food. Franchises abound.
Esso/Shell/BP as gateways to modern conveniences and transportation. Every gas station, residence, farm house, hen house, outhouse, and dog house is connected to these franchises in some way.
G4S/Securitas/Garda as the front line protecting the 'haves' from the 'have-nots'. Franchises abound.
Most athletic, luxury vehicle, and brands as the status symbols they want themselves to be. Franchisees promote the brands as a means of collecting clients.

If, on the other hand, "popular culture" is, 'traditions and material culture of a particular society. In the modern West, pop culture refers to cultural products such as music, art, literature, fashion, dance, film, cyberculture, television, and radio that are consumed by the majority of a society's population. ... types of media that have mass accessibility and appeal' (ThoughtCo.) then the following are some fairly strong indicators of popular culture:

Hello Kitty (be pleasant)
Pokémon (pursue goals)
Superman/Batman (masculinity, vigilantism)
Paw Patrol (institutions are essential)
the Olympics (do athletics)
Michael Jordan (be excellent)
Mickey Mouse (dream big)
Star Wars/The Bible (G vs. E)

The ones I wish would take hold and have more of an influence:

X-men (biodiversity is good)
the Expanse
Battlestar Galactica (genocide, rebellion, impersonation, terrorism, coups d'état, civil war, infidelity, succession, military conflict, asymmetrical warfare, treason, mutiny, pirate broadcasts, nuclear warfare... and that's just the first half of the series)
Tony's Chocolonely (ethical economics)

[–] clark@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

Twilight and Supernatural. Guess they kick-started shows like True Blood and Teen Wolf.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Disney, NFL, NBA, Coca-Cola,

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Taylor Swift, Star Wars, McDonald's.

[+] DandomRude@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 0 points 3 months ago

pop culture changes over time so the answer is going to change over time.

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