“Under the cover of artillery, the Ukrainian Armed Forces entered the settlement of Poroz, Graivoronsky urban district of the Belgorod region,” the Russian military channel “Zapiski Veterana” wrote on the morning of August 10.

The date the video was filmed is unknown.

https://t.me/noel_reports/15542

More confirmation on Poroz.

"Poroz. Graivoron city district. The video of the Khokhls (ethnic slur for Ukrainians) with the DRG is true. Locals talk about two civilian hostages."

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

How much of Russia is Ukraine going to take?

To anyone familiar with the situation.

I didn't even think they were going to enter Russian territory.

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The simple truth is nobody really knows. All there is is speculation. We'll have to wait and see.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 months ago

#DisbandTheRussianFederation

[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No sleep till Moscow

[–] narp@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

Ukrainian soldiers always on vacation

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Finns advanced about 400km into Soviet territory in the Continuation war. Hopefully Ukraine beats that score.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Is this a separate incursion or an extension of the Kursk invasion? Belgorod is a separate region, correct?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Belgorod is the oblast next to Kursk. Its both a separate region and an extension of the Kursk incursion. Part of what I'm reading in other places is that the stunning success of this operation can partially be accounted to Russian partisans treating the Ukrainian forces as liberators and sabotaging Russia's ability to reinforce in the region. By expanding the zone of control, Ukraine is solidifying their territorial gains. I don't know what comes next, but it seems like almost no one, not even many Ukrainians, thought they had this in them. Russia has been caught severely with its pants down and Ukraine has shown that they have much more fight in them left than many realized.

Their situation remains precarious as an entire nation, but it seems that Russia's situation was far more precarious than anyone outside of Ukraine's inner circle realized. Further, this is a true win for Ukrainian intelligence. No one knew. The only people who did were local Russian military intelligence people who either didn't properly report what they were seeing, or weren't listened to. It seems clear from this that Ukraine's intelligence mechanisms are accurate and devoid of leaks. I don't know that any other nation can truly say that. That to me is the most stunning part of this.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 9 points 2 months ago

I feel it’s more realistic that they can maintain good opsec and use obfuscation and misdirection to cover the slips. I know that sounds pedantic, but the last few feet are the most crucial, and something will always leak. The key is to mix the real leaks with false ones, so they get lost in the noise.

All speculation, but I bet other rotated units have been sent to this area in the past, and other potential incursion points, to make it seem a safe recovery zone and nothing odd was happening. They probably have the russian liberation group specifically training somewhere else near the boarder. I know none of us are planning invasions of the porous boarders of our paper tiger neighbors, but this can apply to regular life as well.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the comments. By separate incursion, I mean - are they entering Russia through a completely separate area of the Russian border? It is it an offshoot of the other forces, entering Belgorod through Russian territory.

This really does change the strategy of the whole war, especially if they can hold it even expand their the gains.

I would also imagine other countries bordering Russia might take notice.

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I would also imagine other countries bordering Russia might take notice.

It would be kinda funny if Finland started moving stuff toward the border near St. Petersburg, just to troll putin / make him waste resources in kind.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 9 points 2 months ago

All NATO nations should bring troops to the border and start drilling until Russia exits Ukraine.

Just keep Russia on 24/7 alert at all times until their economy collapses

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Russia has left the border with Finland undefended for at least a year...

[–] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Correct, the Russian border has become quite porous.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So is this a separate incursion?

[–] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but the scale is unknown.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wow. This is a very interesting development. Thanks for the update! Discussions about Ukraine is one thing I miss from Reddit.

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah I went to check out the old Ukrainian Conflict subreddit the day I saw the Kursk counter invasion news drop in this community since there wasn’t much discussion here. There were more comments there, but absolutely nothing of substance.

[–] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Belgorod and Kurak are different provinces/states but beside eachother. I think Ukraine planned this as a smash and run. As Kursk has a major pipeline control and if they destroyed it Russia could not move oil from the east. But we're surprised by there success and kept pushing. But grain of salt as it's just a theory.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 months ago

From what I've read the degree of partisan support they've received outstripped their expectations. Russia's lack of effective response has been a surprise, as has been the willingness of the populace to either help or at least not get in the way.

This event has been a total failure of Russian intelligence and a complete success for Ukrainian intelligence. And I want to emphasize. Ukraine does not share credit for this intelligence success. The degree of trust and cohesion throughout its military apparatus has by just been shown to be the strongest in the world. There was no talk of Ukraine invading the oblasts to their north until it had already happened

[–] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

გაუმარჯოს!