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Reddit perma-banning account promoting Lemmy has Streisand effect (news.ycombinator.com)
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As Reddit's enshittification reaches new heights their attempts to suppress attention for alternatives, like federated Lemmy, has the opposite effect as this Hacker News discussion shows.

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[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Reading criticisms of Lemmy from Reddit and other platforms like HackerNews reminds me of reading criticisms of Reddit from Digg back in 2007-2010, except they're more based on architecture instead of "it looks ugly".

Now there are things that will turn away users. There's obviously a strong leftist culture here, there are less users so less content, and obviously federation is a stumbling block for many people.

But I really think that's ok similar to what people are saying in that Hacker News thread. I wouldn't want all of Reddit to come over, and I think it's better for the culture and growth here to get a self selected trickle/stream of users instead of a deluge.

I don't think Lemmy will necessarily have the same issues as Mastodon because Twitter/Mastodon requires you to know people or know accounts to follow to be useful. Lemmy just requires communities you're interested in and a critical mass of users to drive posting and engagement. We're already seeing greater activity as more users arrive

[–] humanetech@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

That second comment by goplayoutside says it well: "Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug."

I think it is a feature, and the same is true for Mastodon and the Fediverse as a whole, imho.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The most disturbing thing I've seen is the evidence that Lemmy.ml is controlled by a genocide-supporting red fascist/third positionists. If that's true, its a massive issue and makes the platform hard to trust.

Very open to learning that this isn't true, if it isn't.

[–] luckless@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the source on that? That's a pretty big accusation but I'd certainly want to know if it's true.

[–] FaceDeer@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And even if it were true, there are other instances. The only reason I'm on lemmy.ml myself is because the one that was recommended to me first was offline when I tried it, I could move somewhere else if this turns out to be true.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org -1 points 1 year ago

What concerns me just now is whether join-lemmy the website is controlled by them or not. So far I don't know if it is- But if the entry points are guarded by genocide-supporting (not denying) left-fascists, then that does pose a significant issues.

BTW, these ifs I'm using aren't rhetoric devices. I'm not stating this as fact. There seems to be indicators of concern- Is what I'm saying.

[–] m532@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are a wrecker who is trying to destroy lemmy. You will not succeed. Go back to 4chan where someone might believe your weird conspiracy theories.

[–] Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe you're confusing with lemmygrad?

I'd like to read more on this, if true

[–] upperleft@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The strong leftist culture is a plus. I know I'm not going to get flooded with nazi shit like so many of the prior iterations of the reddit exodus (e.g. voat).

[–] backpackn@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What will the next social media trend be? Seems like the centralized options are done for (FB, TW, Reddit), but they’re not being replaced by any single solutions. Tiktok took mainly genZ. Professionals have been wanting a twitter replacement to move to since musk and have yet to figure it out (bluesky, tribel, post social, takes, mastodon, etc has no apparent frontrunner). Political apps segmented some off like parler and the right stuff. Decentralized and foss apps have all kinds of solutions but won’t likely ever attract a huge crowd. So are we seeing the end of of an era of massive centralized social media?

[–] fuzzzerd@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

So are we seeing the end of of an era of massive centralized social media?

God, I hope so.

[–] Ignacio@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's obviously a strong leftist culture here

That depends on what instance you create an user on. For example, Lemmygrad.ml and Lemmy.ml are not the same thing, despite both belonging to Lemmy. The issues I see are having a tankie culture, and not having more points of view.

There are less users so less content

That's something we can help with, although it's not so easy. I mean, the users that are already here, we can create more content and interact more with each other, so eventually more users will come. It can be boring and tiring, but it's not impossible.

Federation is a stumbling block for many people

That's something absolutely new for the vast majority of people. I felt myself confused the first time I joined the fediverse too. But after some time, I felt myself less confused. Some clarifications, tutorials and support can do the real trick.

[–] CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have to hope that main instances will stop federating Lemmygrad at some point. There's no place, IMO, for genocide denial/affirmation and authoritarian extremism on platforms like these. Or any platforms.

Edit: Seems this is unfortunately unlikely as the lemmy.ml instance appears to be moderated by a genocide denier and authoritarian.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[–] Showervagina@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm here because they banned it. Figure if they are threatened by lemmy it must be good.