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Only humans have language. Inter-species communication is nothing special. Rattlesnakes are named for their ability to communicate cross species.
"Either back it up or get fucked up."
curious how it's always humans saying that they're the only ones who have language..
it's only humans capable of the sub communication protocol called English that says that
No other languages have evolved to say that.
Exactly, other languages would use something like "Det är bara människan som utvecklat tal" or "Es ist nur der Mensch, der die Sprache entwickelt hat" depending on language
They identified nouns and adjectives in prairie dog communication, that also seems to vary with regional dialects. I'll try to remember to dig up a source when I'm not out and about later.
Edit: here's a not fully scientific link, but has names and links for people who want to go deeper in the science while being a decent lay person's overview.
Yes, the blog name isn't very scientific looking (I have not read anything else on it). https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2015/08/18/a-career-studying-the-sophisticated-vocabulary-of-prairie-dogs/
And here's a peer reviewed study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003347205801174
Weren't science communicators talking about parts of speech in whale communication last year, too? They're using AI to identify patterns and variations in speech.
Here's a general (though older) overview of whale language: https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-language-of-whales
Here's a more recent article taking about using AI to identify patterns in speech: https://scitechdaily.com/ai-decodes-sperm-whale-language-revealing-a-complex-system-of-communication/
I appreciate your disclaimers and context of your sources.
What is this strange group on Lemmy that is so anti animal intelligence?
A rattlesnake can certainly communicate using sound, but is that language? Bright colors can communicate ideas of "do not eat this" across species as well, but they wouldn't fit my mental model of a language.
what is language than making sounds to convey meaning and then decoding said sounds to understand their meaning
human language is incredibly complex but a bee just buzzing a particular buzz that means "bear nearby" counts as a valid form of linguistic communication imo
Bees actually dance to communicate and it's considered a language 😄
Koko the gorilla would beg to differ
Just gonna drop this, I haven't done a deep dive in sources thoufh
Don't leave your SI lying around like that
Well it makes sense
A slow tempo is... slow. A quick tempo is upbeat and attracts attention
If you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the worm.
Why do we use sound hmmm all over the world when thinking about something? Was there just first proto language that had all these onomatopoeias built in or were they invented independently because they excite neurons in same way, mood regardless of culture?
Maybe its for a similar reason to why cats purr; vibration make brain feel different in a way that facilitates thought?
source im fuckin g insame
that's the sound of our brains venting the thinking gas
Sign language is even more universal (early hominids def would've had signs before proper spoken language).
If I hold out my arm, my palm towards you, you'd probably know what I mean.
Like this.
That you're a ~~cop~~ businessman?
Maybe it also has to do with the human anatomy? Like, when people are thinking they probably have their mouth closed and maybe even purse their lips. The sound you can make in this pose is really just hmm I guess.
OK yeah, the next question would then be why we use certain facial expressions...
I watch as kitty run towards me, I say gogogo and kitty run faster
I do this to cats I see and they say "No." and sit down.
My cat follows all my commands. I say "ignore me and do nothing else I say" and he ignores me and continues with his day.
No,but I use similar tempos to call him and he comes.
So you're telling me that when a cat chirps when it sees a bird through the window, it's really saying "here, birdie birdie birdie" to it?
Nah, it's trying to imitate the bird and is going, "No cat here, only friend" (in terms of purpose. In reality, the cat just knows birds with y appearance come to x sound, so make x sound to make y bird maybe come, the cat doesn't understand the mechanics, just that it works)
Cats do have limited mimicry abilities - It's probably why there are so many videos of cats "speaking" human words - adapting that mostly unused mimicry skill to get the human's attention with sounds it notices humans use to get the attention of other humans
Cats do have limited mimicry abilities
Meows are supposedly mimicking human baby noises, definitely works to get our attention!