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no need to write an essay or anything

some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don't know what's serious and what's irony

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[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

Our big wet boy is lovingly referred to here in a sarcastic manner.

[–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

We find his strange antics funny as hell, and the fact he's so blatant about how awful he is means when he does something evil it isn't annoying, just another part of living in satan's heart. Contrast this with biden, who doesn't do as much funny shit, and gets treated like a saint while doing evil shit by many americans.

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

saying "trump can and probably will beat biden from the inside of a prison cell" is not a statement of support for trump

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[–] Jenniferr@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Serious answer: fuck no. As a trans woman, having Republicans in office is extremely scary (not a pro Democrat post at all)

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

No lol, he should get his own white house office - without him knowing - sitcom where he can be president for life and make the wildest content possible while thinking he's actually president. He's a catty bitch that puts out the slop for us hogs and we just can't help but lap it up every time trump-feed

[–] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not being American myself I have the luxury at being able to laugh at the farcical way he ran the country without being in the direct firing lines of his fascistic policies.

Trump is bad in the same way all American presidents are, and worse in all sorts of new ways.

But every photo op, every speech was like a piece of political satire writ real and you have to admit there's a morbid humour to the whole thing.

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Our official line is this

Hunter Biden has a big dick

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The only person here I can think of who ever unironically supported trump was haz and we banned him for… well on account of how he is

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[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I hate Trump but, in the grand scheme of things, his foreign policy was dogshit for advancing the interests of US power projection and I am of the opinion that he was a real spanner in the works for the imperialist agenda compared to his predecessors.

You might say Trump is strays alarmingly close to fascism and I'd be inclined to agree but I'd also note that what US imperialism inflicts upon the world is much closer to fascism in practice than what Trump is like domestically and that needs to be weighed accordingly, especially given that the US is only one country.

I am not hoping for another Trump presidency. I anticipate that a second term in office for him would allow him to shift further to the right as well, which is a grim prospect.

But at the same time, I'm fairly convinced that America won't advance towards socialism much in the coming few years due to a range of internal and external factors, so I am more concerned with how US foreign policy interferes with other countries and their potential advances towards socialism.

This means that, overall, I would see a Trump win as something that bodes slightly better for the rest of the world than a Hillary or Biden win, for example. (Although admittedly it would suck somewhat more for the people living in America.)

Would I prefer Bernie or West instead? Of course.

So, do I support Trump? No, unequivocally not.

Do I think that another Trump presidency would give some respite to the rest of the world and to allow some breathing room for other countries to move towards socialism compared to someone like Biden? Likely, given his previous presidency.

In an overall sense, from the perspective of "pragmatism" and "harm reduction" (ironically two things that get used as a bludgeon to coerce the radical left into voiting blue, no matter who) I think that Trump would be slightly better from a global perspective in comparison to Biden. But I certainly wouldn't cheer for a Trump victory.

I figure this take is going to ruffle some feathers but a slightly shittier situation for the US under Trump doesn't even come close to comparing to the atrocities that US inflicted on Libya, for example, and Libyans are just as important in my consideration as Americans are. That's going to be a bitter pill for some people to swallow.

Ideally Trump would be locked up, and so would Obama and Biden and Kissenger and Bush and Jimmy Carter... but that's not on the cards, aside from Trump (lol.) I would consider a Trump win over Biden/Harris to be slightly less awful overall.

But this is like asking me if I'd rather eat a piece of shit or the equivalent volume of diarrhoea; both are absolutely awful and I'd prefer neither but one is slightly but notably less awful than the other. That doesn't mean it's not a shit option though.

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[–] mazdak@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

None of us support Trump, just as none of us support Putin. But there is a sort of overcompensation in reaction to naieve and simplistic liberal narratives that might make it seem like we do.
Leftists get frustrated with the worldview that imagines, to steal a phrase, that Trump is Voldemort and Biden is Harry Potter. Anti-capitalists oppose the Bourgeoisie and Trump and Biden are both in service to them. It isn’t even simply that they are both capitalists - they are both neoliberals, who enthusiastically pursue the goals of neoliberalism - the transfer of wealth and power from the working class to the bourgeoisie, the enforcement of Western imperialism on a global scale, the withering away of society through austerity and privatisation, etc.
Of course it’s fine to support the democrats with the aim of harm minimisation. But liberals are wilfully blind to the fact that the system itself is not ‘rotten’ but rather functioning as intended, and that the scale of change required to have any hope of addressing climate change, wealth inequality, the descent into fascism and so on, cannot come from within liberal ideology at all let alone from the democrat party.
Trump is kind of funny too in the way that he infuriates liberals by openly unveiling reality. For example, no-one cared when Obama was putting children in concentration camps, because it was hidden away behind a bunch of shiny rhetoric about hope and change. But when Trump does the same thing and celebrates it, when he brings the racism and inhumanity of the US state into the light and declares fuck those kids, liberals are forced to see the true nature of their beloved country which their ideological fantasies would usually repress. The blatant hypocrisy of their rage is, from the perspective of cynical leftists, both amusing and bewildering.

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Of course not, he's a disgusting piece of shit.

To be transparent, I hope he wins in 2024 because he is good at driving the US into the ground, but I would never vote for him and strongly discourage anyone else from doing so (nor doing something with a real impact, like phone banking or whatever).

But I would even further prefer a speedy collapse of the US without his help and that he eats a bullet from some deranged Q guy who thinks he needs to resurrect like Jesus Christ.

Worth noting that he is not more of a warmonger than other presidents, who I also hate, but you didn't ask about them.

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[–] kneel_before_yakub@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He's an evil piece of shit, but not uniquely so. Liberal beloved Obama ordered shit like the kunduz hospital airstrike. Bush started a war based on lies, but liberal media rehabilitates him. The only thing he did worse than other presidents was be mean on twitter. In short, amerikkka must be destroyed, all presidents must hang

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

I don't support Trump as a president. I don't support Trump as a business person. I don't support Trump as a human that lives on earth. I'd be happy if he was none of those things.

I do think he's fucking hilarious in the saddest worst way possible. Like a jester. Trump is a court jester. I just wish he was being forced to dance on a bed of hot coals and knives instead of on the world stage.

[–] GayActorMichaelDouglas@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I only support Trump in the sense that his wildly illegal actions drive the US Empire into the ground and expose how fucking corrupt and stupid our political system is.

If Hillary was elected, the whole Epstein thing would never have been a media sensation. The only reason it got so big is because dumbfuck Donald doesn't have the political acumen to avoid shit like this. The more Donald Trump is in power, the more the seams that form this corrupt system start to unravel. I don't think he's significantly worse than Biden and Roe V Wade being overturned is proof. Biden is leading us into increasing escalations with China and Russia, continuing the covid deathcult, and presiding over an increasingly shit economic system while doing fuck all to stop it.

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[–] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

He belongs in the same mass grave as every other capitalist for his crimes against humanity.

Until then: I would never vote for him, or encourage others to vote for him, but I recognize that he is the harm reduction candidate when compared to whatever war criminal blue maga would run against him. Globally, he reduces the dominance of the US and its ability to terrorize the world by being an idiot. Domestically, he increases the chances of leftist revolution by making liberals angry and treating America like the farce it is. He also invented a stimulus by going off the rails in the speech.

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (12 children)

We are always laughing at him, never with him. There were some overly online weirdos who tried to make MAGA Communism a thing. A couple wandered in expecting a hostile response. We gave it to them. Simple as.

Are the Trump bits why people keep saying we’re crypto-fash? Because I’ve done infiltration work doxxing fascists and that is not how they talk about him.

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[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

He has exposed American politics for the pig circus that it is making him funny. He's also a fascist and I would totally [REDACTED]

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't support Trump, I think all US presidents unironically deserve to be in prison. (at best)

Let me present this window into the past though for when you're confused why people don't see much difference between democrats and republicans:

$2000 checks, emergency pandemic unemployment, child tax credit, and I killed the guy who defeated ISIS trump-anguish

best I can do is $1400, covid's over you love ukraine now brump

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want to watch him die falling down the stairs

the reason we laugh is that the world is so fucking absurd if we don't laugh we will lose our goddamn minds

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[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Trump is genuinely the funniest president we've ever had, and his influence on the aesthetic of American politics and pop culture is probably the most any individual president has had since idk, FDR? In an era where we no longer have regular fireside chats with the president, as they don't actually care about what we think/ in Biden's case probably can't think without a horse's worth of injectable amphetamines, Trump told us what he was thinking about directly in all his deranged glory.

There was no better way to pipeline a lib than Trump. That said, I wish there was an ability to vote 'none' on the ballot.

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[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

trump-drenched he is swamp-ass incarnate, our big wet sloppy pissboy, may he one day have a heart attack on live TV. he's not the guy we need, he's the presinald the US deserves.

for context I am a taxpaying US citizen (Death to America).

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