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A Republican state senator has called for “civil war” if Donald Trump loses the presidential election in November.

George Lang, an Ohio politician, made the comment as he introduced JD Vance at his first solo campaign event since becoming Trump’s running mate.

After taking to the stage fist-raised and shouting Trump’s post-shooting battle cry “Fight! Fight!”, Mr Lang warned of an existential threat facing Americans. He declared in front of a large, heated crowd in Ohio: “We are in the fight for the soul of our nation… for our kids, for our grandkids, it is a fight we can never imagine.

“I believe wholeheartedly, Donald Trump and Butler County’s JD Vance are the last chance to save our country. Politically, I’m afraid if we lose this one, it’s going to take a civil war to save the country.”

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[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The military isn't just a bunch of Trump loving extremists. It's just as divided as the rest of the population, but they also are very strict about upholding the constitution and democracy. If people of their same ideology threatened the United States' peace and democracy, most active duty members would likely be willing to fight against them

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You are making the assumption that they would agree with you poltically and that the GOP is the one that would be breaking the rules and being the cause of the peace being disturbed. Which side wants a revolution? Whos revoultuion is currently happening?

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What? You're the one who suggested the military is Republican and wouldn't fight fellow Republicans starting an uprising. And this is in response to a comment by the GOP senator calling for civil war.

I'm not making any assumptions, I posted a link to a poll showing the military is politically diverse, and I said they are generally pretty strict in following their beliefs in freedom, democracy, and the constitution. I'm really not sure what you're trying to imply.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And I dont think showing that some are not republicans means they would be willing to attack fellow americans for a number of reasons. Also I think its presumptuous to think that people that didnt want to be part of the country would be incorrect or extremests.

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're not incorrect for not wanting to be part of this country, but you are incorrect thinking that a violent overthrowing of a democratic process in this country is not against the freedoms of our citizens, the democracy the military swore to protect, or the very basis of our laws, the constitution.

I'm sure some of the military do hold far right fascist ideals and may be sympathetic to any seditious movement or even want to join them. But they would be extremists for starting a civil war, and they would not be the majority.

Also the military would not be attacking fellow Americans. The former Americans would be trying to overthrow the democratically elected government, and the military would be protecting American citizens. When you declare civil war against the United States, you are no longer a citizens and don't have the same rights as a citizen. You are then an enemy of the United States, and by extension, our military.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

The issue is the constitution is now toilet paper, and it doesnt mean anything anymore. So to say that the people that want to go back to when it was a real thing are the extremists is a frame shift and an ideological difference.

I would agree with you that many would gleefully mow down waves of american citizens, but I dont think it would be all or probably even more than half. And its not that it would be a declared war its just that states would start ignoring federal laws and degrees. Its also just an unwinnable war and everyone loses.