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[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is that enough to matter? And is this issue enough for them to change their vote, given the tax stuff? All the other shit Trump does certainly doesn’t matter.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The richest places in America are pretty solidly blue. A lot of rich people like good public schools and colleges, clean water, the arts, etc. and understand that taxes and charity are how those things are paid for.

Other rich people like gated communities and stopped reading books^1^ when someone stopped assigning them. They’re the Republican rich people.

^1^ Some will read a book about war or some shitty airport bookstore thing that’s 80% out-of-context quotes about how to be a leader.

[–] iheartneopets@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Rich people don't give a fuck about public schools, lmao, they send their kids to private ones.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Private schools often suck. Rich people aren’t smarter. They just have more money. There’s plenty of districts where the best public high school is way better than whatever private schools exist. Half the private schools are for weird religious groups or kids who got expelled.

There’s almost always good public schools in cities. That’s why there’s always loopholes that allow rich people’s kids to go to them.

And in colleges, Harvard isn’t better than UC-Berkeley or the honors programs at most state flagship institutions. It’s just older. (There have been studies that compared students who got into an Ivy League school and ultimately chose a public flagship and the Ivy grads only did better in the first few years after graduation. But then the public flagship attendees caught up.)

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I wonder how many of those hedge fund billionaires down on Wall Street are Democrats. I doubt that it’s many of them. Bankers? Nah. Media and Telcom? Not likely. They’re all based in NYC, the bluest of the blue cities.

They all like tax cuts and deregulation. Trump is the one who’s promising that, whereas Biden promised and already delivered more of both to them all.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don’t have any desire to defend hedge fund or VC billionaires so I’ll concede the point. There’s a reason San Francisco has NIMBY policies and New York City can’t elect mayors for shit.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, because the people who own all of the businesses and real estate constantly battle those who work at the businesses and live in all that real estate, which just goes to show what a fucked up and unbalanced role money plays in our so-called democracy.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Bankers? Nah. Media and Telcom? Not likely. They’re all based in NYC, the bluest of the blue cities.

Now you're just making things up. You can't just say "nah, not likely" and prove anything. It's a lack of effort that shows you don't have evidence.

NYC is a "blue city" (whatever that means) because of these professionals. The actual working class people in NYC make up a lot of the conservatives. That's why cities are more liberal: because they have more educated people. Those people work in banking or media; they're not all artists or plumbers or something.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Hilarious. OK, where’s your evidence, then?

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

EVERY group is big enough to matter. Reminder that the last two elections were determined by around 10,000 votes.