Most people using an AR buy cheapo 115 grain FMJ to shoot from their $600 AR. Cheap ammo from a cheap AR will group at 5-6 inches shooting with a bipod from a bench with a minute between shots with no wind at that range.

Throw in wind, stress, sub-optimal support, and rapid fire and it's a very difficult shot.

Which is good and bad. Good in that assassinations should fail. Bad in that it means this asshole was shooting up a crowd.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are you grouping that at 100 yards? Because I think your barrel is screwed up if that's true. 2-3 inches on a mass market AR is common from a controlled setup. Of course most people are not as accurate as their gun so if they're shooting then yeah it can be wild.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He was shooting closer to 200 yards I thought.

My main AR groups better. I've got a higher-end AR with a .223 Wylde 1:7 barrel and when I shoot SMKs through it it'll group a ragged hole. But that's not the setup most people are buying and shooting.

But my gun is triple the cost of a standard AR-15, and the glass on top is even more expensive.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

400ft, 120M, 130Y.

And yeah that's the thing. What a modern gun can do locked into a bench is going to be way better than what most shooters can do.