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[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 111 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

And preferably, name someone who has announced their candidacy.

A list of people you'd like in the job isn't as relevant. I would've accepted almost any of the names people had floated, had any of them publicly shown interest.

But here we are with people often demanding Jon Stewart and Michelle Obama throw their hats in the ring, and that's two people who keep saying they aren't interested.

Edit: the shit people downvote here.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No one who wants to run in 2028 is going to run against the incumbent President unless that President is incredibly weak.

Biden in 2020 was solid, but even he had a close win over Trump. Biden 2022 was starting to show signs of wear (understandably so), but planning for 2024 made sense. Not my favorite choice, but I don't think it was necessarily wrong. 2024 SOTU Biden scared Republicans so much they made up all sorts of drug rumors.

Jump to 1st Debate 2024 Biden. That was his first real misstep. Biden can recover from this.

Biden was far from my first choice in 2020, but he's done a great job. He needs to get out there and prove it. Showcase what he's done and pitch a plan for a future America.

Right now I don't know if Biden can do that. I saw parts of it during the debate, but I want more. Biden should be able to convince his own party he has what it takes to win. Biden isn't incredibly weak at the moment, but he's getting weaker.

At the end of the day I'm voting for Biden (or his replacement) because I believe in Democrat policy. I'm not just voting "against Trump", I believe Democratic policy is better for Americans and the American people. Republican policy, especially under Trump, isn't even worth considering, it's fascism and I don't mean that hyperbolically.

If Biden can't beat Democrats, Biden can't beat Trump and that's a big fuckin concern to me.

Also, since you're looking for a name, Newsom has made it clear he is going to run in 2028. Will he run if Biden steps down? That's debatable. It's going to be a tough race and a loss in 2024 probably means no chance of running in 2028. There is a chance no one can beat Trump (and that's even scarier).

(Also to anyone on the fence, Fuck Trump. Get your ass to the voting booth on election day and vote Biden.)

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

They keep asking for names then stop responding when you give them one. Hilariously unserious people who just want to scream that we have zero other options as loud as possible.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Well yeah, it's standard bad faith practice to keep getting stuck on 'name someone'. That question is an obvious mind-trap that stifles the real point no one from the pro Biden camp wants to concede: Biden is an objectively bad candidate that may lose.

This bad faith argument is not their creation, nor does it really matter.

The DNC will not listen to its constituents (let alone a Lemmy thread)and hold a primary to let Democrats choose a different candidate. No one paying any attention believes that.

The argument serves two purposes i think, to skirt around the fact the DNC doesn't represent us and won't hold a primary no matter what , and to keep any real discussion of ranked choice or third party voting from even starting.

Because the DNCs plan to run against fascists forever only works if we stay in a FFTP system like this

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 4 months ago

Almost sounding like idk, corporate shills or something?

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Has Newsom said he wanted the job?

Again, it's not about a wishlist. I am NOT AGAINST OTHER CANDIDATES.

Just the endless hand-wringing and dropping names of those who don't want the fucking job.

I like Newsom. If he were the candidate, I'd vote for him. But he isn't, at least not yet.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Because they don’t want to undermine the party and an incumbent candidate. But, if the party opened it up and asked, “Who wants to be President?,” there’d be a rush like Black Friday.

There were 27 candidates for the nomination in 2020, but none of them are still interested?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago

Well duh, you think the Democrats are just gonna say "eh, let Trump have it"

OF COURSE the Democrats would step up if they had to. But they don't want that scenario. That's the whole point. They want to coalesce behind Biden.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

They are more scared of losing, than they are of winning. It’s the liberal way.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

He still didn't give a name

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah im tempted try an "ignore previous instructions" on some of em they're so insistent, but my father-in-law sounds just like 'em so i know they are actually real people. His first time voting in his whole entire life was in '20 and now that he has "become political" (his words) he feels comfortable lecturing anyone on politics. He will never see how asinine that is or question the narrative the TV tells him. I figure trump brought a lot of people like that out of the woodwork.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The ones who aren't interested are usually more trustworthy?

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong (generally speaking...I'm not interested, I'm entirely untrustworthy, and no one who knows me wants me in that position), but they're not going to run so it's moot.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 4 months ago

Washington didn't want to be president but was convinced

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Vermin Supreme!

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago

And preferably, name someone who has announced their candidacy.

Marianne Williamson. I want President Williamson. She has announced her candidacy. I will gladly support the Democrats if she’s their candidate.

Otherwise, I’ll probably support the Greens.