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I'm feeling so uneasy with everything I've been seeing. I keep thinking about what we will be this time next year, and if shit hits the fan, what is your plan? I'm queer and was politically active in 2020, so I would potentially be considered a political enemy.

The only blueprint I can think of is what you do in an active shooter situation; Flee, Hide, Fight.

I know there's that romantic notion of "don't be a coward, get out and protest", but I remember the brutality of the 2020 protests firsthand, and even then I thought "thank god I'm going toe to toe with the CPD and not the CCP". Next time is going to be different. The president now has authority to send drone strikes. Protests and riots don't stand a chance agains missiles and live rounds.

Flee- I have an Uncle in Montreal who my family could potentially use as a way to at least temporarily escape the chaos. The hope I'd have is that Canada and other countries would accept American refugees, however that's not a guarantee.

Hide- If borders are closed, lay low and move away from major cities if possible. If civil war breaks out, try to get away from the violence even if you think your side will win. Todays losers may be tomorrows victors.

Fight- If cellular data/ social media algorithms can keep track of you, and surveillance can make sure there's no movement, this would be the last resort of desperation. I guess if possible try to either find a group for safety in numbers, or conversely go guerrilla as groups of resistance would make easy targets.

Sorry my mind is running and I'm getting scared.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 77 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Canada will not accept US citizens as refugees unless things really goes to hell, we're not even accepting refugees who come from other countries via the USA as they're supposed to ask for refugee status in the first of the two country they step in. So yeah, don't get your hopes up, Canada isn't a consolation prize for you guys, fix your own shit.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That doesn't stop you from getting a work visa and moving there.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Temporarily and only if you have qualifications for jobs where we need people

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Temporarily can also become permanent. And many folks do have skills worth amassing.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Sure, doesn't change the fact that we don't don't open our door to anyone and everyone and if you don't have skills we need you don't get a visa in the first place , we don't need someone to move here from a first world country with a work visa just to end up not having a job and costing the system money.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Yep, same as most countries. No one is assuming we can just waltz right in.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

It’s US’ decision on whether to grant those or not, and they grant them cause it benefits the US.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How's the housing market going bud?

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Terrible. I could flip this comment but it's all been said before.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What does that have to do with the subject? Even more reason why we wouldn't take in US citizens for no reason

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Not as if it was any better on your side of the border, the difference being that in some States you don't have any safety nets to help!

[–] craftyindividual@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ever watched/read the Handmaid's Tale? This scenario basically happens, and Canada has to cater to any refugees they can smuggle out.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately/fortunately works of fiction aren't binding on geopolitics. (Depending on the fiction)

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hi, Canadian here. The Handmaid's Tale was seriously over optimistic about what kind of country we are.

[–] craftyindividual@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago
[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Suddenly all the people with anti migration sediment might realize how it’s like when the shoe is on the other foot.

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why so much hate for people just looking to survive?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

It's just the truth bud, people living in the richest country in the world can't be bothered to go out and vote (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/voter-turnout-rate-by-age-usa the majority of electors under 30 support the Democrats) and every US elections research for Canadian immigration laws goes through the roof? If you guys can't make your own country work (even when you've got an amendment made to secure people's right to protect themselves against the shit show your government has become!) then why would you expect other countries to just welcome everyone of you? It's not as if you would extend the same favor, people coming from the poorest countries in the world end up being detained when they cross into the USA.