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[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the purpose of posting these results before they have been peer reviewed and reproduced?

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Because this is how they get peer reviewed and reproduced? Publishing is how science works?

[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 28 points 1 year ago

No you should put the paper in a filing cabinet somewhere and see what happens

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

No, obviously not, it clearly states in the Official Rules of Science that only some forms of media are acceptable.

If they're wrong they'll be laughing stocks forever like the idiots who tried to have FTL neutrinos.

Let people read this stuff, it's better than trying to hide it and having every redneck believe we have secret technology the government doesn't share with you.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure you understand what peers means.

[–] rustydrd@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the question was "what's the purpose of posting this on Lemmy?" (not arXiv) because that does nothing for peer review but a lot for stirring laypeople's wild imagination.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I was having a really terrible day yesterday, the overblown hype about this was a bright spot for me. I don't watch arxiv myself so I am happy to see this stuff.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Publishing this outside of a reputable journal is definitely not how papers get peer reviewed. In fact, its a huge red flag.

[–] rustydrd@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a preprint published on arXiv.org, which is as reputable as it gets before peer review (so no red flag but standard practice). But I agree that people shouldn't place hopes in this before it's been peer reviewed and replicated by independent researchers.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

My comment was directed specifically at the parent's comment about publishing (in general not in a reputable peer reviewed journal which arxiv isnt) being how peer review happens. Arxiv is a preprint server. There is no peer review and while many of the papers there have survived the peer review process, a paper being on that server doesnt really say anything about the quality of that paper. It could be a great paper, it could be garbage or somewhere in between the two extremes. In any case, the hype around this paper is concerning because it has not, as of yet, survived the scrutiny that is demanded by the claims it is making.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

All computer science papers are released on arXiv before publishing. It’s pretty normal.

[–] irdc@derp.foo -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bragging and getting the names of the researchers in the press.

[–] 4am@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I mean; that’s a sure fire way to have it all backfire isn’t it? When someone else tries to replicate it and it doesn’t work? And they all get called out for it being utter bullshit?

What is this absolute garbage take that scientists just making extraordinary claims for “prestige” or whatever? They’ll be laughed out of the profession if they’re intentionally lying in a paper.

Now, it could be that they think they’re on to something only to have it proven false for one reason or another (flawed experiment, incorrect hypothesis, unaccounted factors etc) but that’s more in line with how peer review works - it’s not the claim that makes you famous it’s the proof.