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Idk I have reservations about this attitude because I have close friends on discord who are definitly not Blue MAGA. They're like, soft baby leftists who think a revolution would be good but are also trans people in red states who are scared as hell of certain things. They seem to genuinely believe that Biden is better on all or most things, pretty much everything except immigration which they will admit he's been worse, and consider voting for him and other Democrats to be a matter of simple self preservation. I try telling them our talking points on here but most of them bounce off. But they are like, sincerly well meaning, not trying to manipulate things. They just want to live lol. I take a more empathetic stance I guess because of my experiences there.
In particular I've found that our points about Roe being lost under Biden and the ratcheting up of anti-trans legislation happening under Biden are total flops with them. Not because they don't care about those things, the second thing is the main reason they're scared, they just absolutely cannot see why we blame him for that. They're caught in certain mindsets and just... cannot seem to break out. Not in the way I've communicated it anyway.
And these are fairly intelligent people as well. One of them is the person I've had the best talks with about her Jewish identity vs Zionism and she is actually like, radically anti-Zionist. But the one thing that she seems stuck on despite her growing radicalization everywhere else.
The other reason I am a bit more empathetic is like,,, basically up until the Gaza genocide started in earnest I was sorta still in their mindset? I wasnt going to vote for Biden only because I don't live in a swing state. Gaza made me reconsider some things, particularly my stance on lesser evil voting.
But if they live in red states, then their vote for president is meaningless since we all know Trump will win those states anyways. If Trump is going to win anyways, then lesser evilism doesn't apply since lesser evilism is a form of consequentialism which presupposes that your actions has causal effect on the outcome. You don't need to read theory to come to this conclusion.
I think they still believe in the US on some level. They (and many people on this website frankly) refuse to see the presidential election for the sham election that it is. You know the popular image of a banana republic where people "vote" for president by checking a single checkbox with a giant portrait of the president looming over them. That's literally what it's like voting in non-swing states. In a red state, they are offered a choice for who gets to be president while a giant portrait of Trump hangs over them. The only reason to participate in the sham is for purely cathartic reasons, so it's perfectly reasonable to interrogate why they will experience cathartic release when they put down some genocidal white supremacist dipshit named Joe Biden.