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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love how you're aggressively working to avoid understanding what you're being told. Like you really want to be right on this even though we both know you're full of shit.

[–] sweng@programming.dev -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

On the contrary, I am trying to build some type of shared understanding, but you are very insistent on never saying if you actually agree with something or not, so I can never be truly sure what you believe, or are actually trying to say. You are also never trying to confirm if you have understood me correctly, suggesting you are the one not really interested in establishing a shared understanding about what we are talking about.

But since you refuse to answer my previous question, I assume you agree that the quotes are accurate. And since you don't seem interested to further discuss the accuracy of the sources, and because 2/2 sources we looked at were accurate, we can lay the discussion about source accuracy asaide and agree that the sources contain accutate statements, corresponding to Russian state media statements.

Now, it seems the next dispute is what is actually meant by red lines, is that correct? Your thesis seems to be that Russia has not placed any red lines, except for before the invasion of Ukraine (which when crossed triggered the invasion) and now with the F-16s (which would be the only uncrossed one?). But then, what does the quote

Lastly, it warned that “red lines,” or limits, for both sides were now “a thing of the past,”

refer to? Which red lined on the Russian side? It can't be anything pre-war since those were already broken, and it can't be the fighter-related one since that one is supposedly still in existence?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

By refuse to answer your question you mean I refuse to say what you want me to say. I've already stated everything I need to say here, and people reading this thread can make up their own mind. Best of luck to you.

[–] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago

No, by refusing to answer my question I mean refusing to answer my question. Is the quote in the source accurate or not? It is a yes/no question. You can answer it with "yes", you can answer it with "no", or you can even give some longer answer if you desire. But you have not answered it in any way.

Best of luck to you too, you need it.