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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Those are extremely simplistic takes for why Gore and Clinton lost. If memory serves me right climate change didn't have much to do with either and it had more to do with people feeling they were out-of-touch wonks. Bush was "the guy you could have a beer with" even though he didn't drink.

And they run to the center because there are actually voters there. The left is noisy online but there's not enough of us spread out far enough to move the needle. America is not a progressive country, and we need to get used to that.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Simplistic because I'm not going to bother to write more. From what I know Gore was a decent step left, not just climate change. By 2016 there was enough attention on climate change that was the step left.

And they run to the center because there are actually voters there

This is what I say ad nauseum. But I think there are enough left ~~voters~~ people to move the needle. The problem is they don't vote in protest, or they vote 3rd party in protest. They're waiting to fall in love with a big left candidate, and I'm saying that's not going to magically appear, you need baby steps (which they don't like so they protest).

This is the whole "Dems fall in love, Republicans fall in line". Those Republicans show up every time and they move the needle because of that.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I've given up believing there's enough that can move the needle, because even if they all voted for decades they're crammed into high population states and districts so their power is diluted to ineffectiveness.

Unless we get a mass migration to low population states of lefties this is going to be how our politics works.

Of course when I bring this up the reaction is "But there's nothing to do there!"

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Nader vote showed this is significant. Obama had a super majority. This can be done.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not gonna hold my breath. America is too consistently disappointing.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Don't hold your breath, but vote. *For Dems.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It's not like I have a choice...