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What strawman? I’m assuming that you’re happy in the center because that’s kind of how you’re talking

God why do I bother. You say what strawman and then say the the strawman. JFC. Me saying you win from the centre does not mean that I'm happy with the centre. JFC. Are you unable to separate this out?

And JFC I already explained. JFC. I'm gonna copy paste

For the sake of making this easier I’m going to just assume you want things further left. So how do you get things further left? By giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose they have to go to the center, because that’s where elections are won.

So what do you as the informed left voter, that wants things to go further left, do? You vote for the Dems. You give them consistent and overwhelming victories. You don’t withhold your vote in protest thinking that the platform is magically going to go left. Because it’s not. When dems lose it’s going to go into the center. Because that’s where you win elections.

And when I say this you want to throw your hands up and say it’s all a fantasy. Seems very, very much like you just want to justify your non-voting. I hear this all the time from leftists on this platform, you (you didn’t actually say you vote for Dems) and many, many, many people that talk exactly like you.

Here's part I edited so maybe you didn't see it:

*Last line because mayyyybeeee you still can’t see it. When dems lose the go to the center, because that’s where they can win after they’ve lost. That’s why withholding votes does not work. And in contrast, when Dems win, they can go to the left. You want Dems to go left? Give them consistent and overwhelming victories.

Little bit more:

They can go to the left when the win. Gore tried to go to the left, and then lost. So guess what, they went center again. He lost in part because of third party voters thinking third party will send a message.

Hillary Clinton tried to go to the left and then lost. So guess what, they went center again. She lost at least in part because of the stupid "non left enough, so I will protest no vote".

So how do you move it left? BY CONSISTENT AND OVERWHELMING VICTORIES. IF GORE AND HILLARY HAD WON, then a) we would have had that left office, b) they could see that bit left wins, c) they could move even more left. But these stupid protest no-voters didn't vote in protest. And guess fucking what, Gore and Hillary Clinton lost. And guess fucking what happens next? The next candidate goes to the fucking centre BECAUSE the previous candidate just lost.

So what do you as the no-vote protester do? And yes I'm saying you because you sure sound like one, and they all talk exactly like you. YOU VOTE FOR DEMS AND GIVE THEM CONSISTENT AND OVERWHELMING VICTORIES. JFC.

Protest no-voting does not work. In fact it's counter productive because it just makes Dems lose. And like I have said many many many times, when dems lose they go to the center. JFC.

There’s no way out of that dynamic without a lot of new voters to ensure victory for left policies, which I’m saying, dems are unlikely to attract with their center-right candidates and policy. Is this a chicken and the egg problem? Maybe, but it also seems like a lot of people are perfectly happy the way it is.

JFC. I already explained this too. I'm not looking it up, it's in previous replies. Go read. It's the whole fringe voting horde part. JFC I can't even. And if I wasn't clear enough in those I just clarified that it's WHEN DEMS LOSE THEY GO TO THE CENTRE. JFC.