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Even if you disagree with them, Trotskyists are not tankies, simple Marxists aren't tankies, leftists curious and exploring different theories aren't tankies, and ffs anarchists like myself are not tankies.

I feel like "tankie" indicated a very specific worldview at one time, but it's been used lately a lot to mean things like "doesn't agree with nations supporting oppression and inequity up to and including genocide" -- which is drastically at odds with how I've seen the term used in the past, no?

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[–] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you understand the difference?

Yes, but you don't. You're promoting cutting off an entire group of viewpoints all on the flimsy justification that there are some shitty people and trolls on .ml (just block the bad users on your own ffs).

Defederating will create echo chambers across the fediverse where dissenting voices aren't heard by people who really need to consider a contrary opinion. That's censorship. Sure technically each individual user could go make a new account wherever they please, but that's an extra step and it's easier to police any dissent that trickles in. Don't tell me that's not censorship, I'm not stupid.

It's nice the fediverse doesn't have centralized control, (otherwise the tankies that built it would have banned everyone), but this place will ultimately produce nothing useful for society since it's devolving into isolated echochambers where people go to get intellectually jerked off when they feel sorry for themselves.

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

First, the "some shitty people" thing comes off the same as "not all men" to me. It's enough that it's noticeable.

Next, censorship:

https://xkcd.com/1357/

It's not censorship. (And being wrong isn't the same thing as being stupid.) You can shout all you want, but people don't have to listen to you or amplify your message.

Other people's servers, communities, etc., aren't automatically yours to do with whatever you want. You're a guest of their hardware, knowledge, and labor. Their instance might serve a purpose that's not providing you with a platform to give people an opinion "they really need to hear" or producing something of value to society, whatever that means. You don't get to decide that. And that's the beauty of federation.

Anyway, I'm done with this so I'm going to block an individual user as you suggested, so take the time you would have used to write a response and really think about what I've said. Take some time to develop some empathy and be able to see things from viewpoints that aren't your own (maybe you're the one in an echo chamber that needs to consider new opinions). Or don't, I'm not your mother.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago

You have the ability to block an instance yourself, and you'll personally not see comments or content made by people from that instance. It's a sad thing to do, I wouldn't do it myself, but you don't have to remove that entire instance for everyone simply because you keep running into shit you don't like yourself.

Other people’s servers, communities, etc., aren’t automatically yours to do with whatever you want. You’re a guest of their hardware, knowledge, and labor. Their instance might serve a purpose that’s not providing you with a platform to give people an opinion “they really need to hear” or producing something of value to society, whatever that means. You don’t get to decide that. And that’s the beauty of federation.

I could not agree more. People who abuse the good-will and hospitality of another instance should be banned/