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    Windows updating just before thesis defense (lemmy.world)
    submitted 5 months ago by InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    [–] gmtom@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    1. So does windows for the most part

    2. Do you know how often users actually restart their machines without being forced?

    [–] wer2@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Perhaps the solution is to figure out how to update without restarting. It is a hard problem, but a forced restart is the same as a crash from a user perspective.

    [–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Imagine if they replaced the crash screen with a fake automatic update.

    [–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Years ago there was a screensaver that showed a fake "upgrading to Vista, please wait" screen. Just wait for someone to leave their computer unattended, download and set it as the screensaver, and wait for their reaction when they're back :)

    [–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

    That's some oblivion on xbox shit right there. Hide a restart with a loading screen.

    [–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Do you know how often users actually restart their machines without being forced?

    If Windows would actually shut the fuck down when asked to do so, this wouldn’t be a problem.

    [–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    I complained enough at my work about this that we shut off fast boot domain wide. I haven't had to have a "I know that you just turned your computer on but I need you to restart it. No, not shutdown and turn on, restart. Yes, they are different things." conversation in a couple years. Funnily enough I haven't seen anyone complain about the significantly longer start up times. I guess people just expect that from windows lol.

    [–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

    I think people just don't care about startup times. They do it maybe once per day (if they don't sleep and resume), and they probably get a coffee or something while it's starting up.

    [–] Inktvip@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

    Walk in, press on button, hang up jacket and get stuff out of bag, type in password, grab coffee.

    That’s a pretty common morning pattern I see.

    [–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

    No Windows doesn't do atomic updates in the background, that's why there is the whole installing updates screen on reboot or shutdown.

    [–] gmtom@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Yes it does? As far as I'm aware even Linux can't apply updates to an active system.

    [–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

    You vastly misunderstand both what I am talking about, and how updates work on both Windows and Linux.

    You don't press shut down and then get a blue updating screen that stops you from doing anything on Linux. Go and update a Linux system and you will see what I am talking about. You run it just like a normal command or program.

    Also yes they update the files on the drive while the system is running.

    [–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago

    Fairly often if it wasn't for the whole fast startup thing, which isn't present in Linux land. I would say at least every couple of weeks, which is good enough for updates.