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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

USA had nothing to do with Nicolás Maduro disasterous takeover of their electricity system, leading to widespread brownouts of 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Venezuelan_blackouts

Get your head out of the USA's asshole. The world is bigger than just us. There's like, local politics and local issues at play here that absolutely have bigger effects on the current migration than any shit the CIA did decades ago.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not like it's all ancient history. Sanctions are ongoing, there was the attempted coup with Operation Gideon, plus the weird attempt with Guaido, propaganda campaigns, etc. and how many things we don't know about. The US is still meddling. They are the largest empire in the world, the sole superpower. Of course they can do a lot of things and have a lot of affect. Of course Venezuela has a lot of itself to blame for its problems, like not diversifying from oil more, but you're going too far the other direction and acting as if the US has no effect on its own sphere of influence.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sanctions are ongoing

Venezuela is literally nationalizing US investments, effectively stealing from the USA. Sanctions that punish them for taking our resources is fair. Yeah, Venezuela's Maduro regime wants to piss off the local Superpower. Lets see how that plays out. We don't have to trade with them. Sanctions aren't meddling, its just "we're gonna stop trading with you". If you don't like that, then don't piss us off. If you want to have US trade again, then try to make amends. But Hugo Chavez and Maduro have been actively trying to piss off the USA for the last 3 decades, because they're fucking brilliant at foreign policy, amirite?

Operation Gideon

Silvercorp isn't the CIA. If it were the CIA, you'd know it. USA has god damn supercarriers by the way, we wouldn't need to use paramilitary action to fuck over Venezuela if we really wanted to.

Do you see Ukraine? Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya? That's what USA-based meddling is. You'd know when we meddle, I promise. All the meddling that Hispanics complain about are largely conspiracy theories. And you know what? I don't really blame them per se, their world is collapsing and they need someone to lash out against. And USA is the biggest target for that.

Whatever. Keep the assholes out, but welcome the migrants who are happy enough to call USA their home.

You're gonna have to explain to me why Argentina needs this conspiracy-based "secret meddling" but isn't important enough for the "real meddling" that we do.