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I feel like women have every right to just give up on us men at this point.
They kind of have. That's why they chose the bear.
You mean yourself, right? If you relate to what these people are doing enough to lump yourself in with them, keep the rest of us normal people out of your generalisation.
Yeah getting angry and defensive in the comments of this story of all stories will sure show them different huh?
Ah yes, because calling all men rapists and dangerous is not offensive and angry. Have you ever attempted to touch grass?
He straight up didn't call all men rapists and dangerous, he said:
I feel like I'd give up on eating pasta if one out of every ten had a big shard of glass in it. Doesn't take every one having a shard of glass.
The bear isn't 1 out of 10. It's 5 out of 10. Conservative estimate.
Yet, because of your talking point which implies that men are worse than bears, due to the implicit argument you're conveniently ignoring about some men being rapists (1 out of 10, remember?), you'd pick 50/50 odds of literally dying.
It's just a misandrist talking point. Not rational. Purely emotional and made to create dissent and division. It's inherently offensive to the 9/10 other, innocent men lumped in with the choice.
The typical crack back is that if you're offended, you're somehow part of the problem, a typical manipulation technique just to shut up opposition, because it's not saying anything, just pointing fingers.
This whole thing is a big joke at the expense of men all over.
Dude you have told people to touch grass and you think running into a black bear means you have a 50/50 chance of dying? Bwahahaha. Why yes, I'd rather startle a black bear than be alone in the woods with a guy.
Touch -and I can not emphasize this enough: Grass.
As we all know women have a "this dude is a rapist" detector and "this dude is an abuser" detector, where we can easily distinguish between men who are threats and men who aren't. Rape and DV only happen when we are waiting for the detectors to get back from regular maintenance or repair.
I didn't say black bear. Try polar bear for odds? I just took the combined bear odds. You're just an idiotic troll.
Funny extra, notice how you only focus on the worst men, and the best bear. Almost like your argument would fall apart otherwise
Lmao it is incredibly unlikely to run into a polar bear in the mainland US. Much less likely than running into a violent man.
Nah we are talking averages and uncertainty that exists in a low information scenario.
I think I’ll take my chances with the bear over you specifically. I know it won’t lecture me for getting away from it
You getting away from a bear? Lmao.
https://www.popsci.com/environment/how-fast-can-a-bear-run/
Unless you're Usain Bolt and it's a sloth bear. Get a grip on reality, misandrist.
Oh my god I’m so sorry sir please tell me how my entire gender is always wrong about you specifically! And about our local wildlife. I definitely haven’t spent my entire childhood taught how to avoid bear attacks (and man attacks, but for some reason those lessons went on past childhood). I definitely just assumed I’d run instead of do what I was taught to do when hiking as a kid.
Also you ever notice how misandrists want to avoid men, but misogynists want to subjugate women?
You don't want to avoid men, you're actively going to internet forums and insulting all men. That's not avoidance, it's misandry.
Strawman goes brrr. You really don't want to acknowledge that there is no getting away from a bear that wants to catch you lmao.
Also, make me laugh, subjugate women? By wanting them to acknowledge that picking "bear" is offensive to 99% of the population? You're just avoiding the topic by putting all these words in my mouth because you know you're a misandrist at heart and that would destroy your "argument".
Wow really steering into that skid there buddy.
What even is the bear argument if not that? In fact I've seen that written multiple times as the justification.
So obsessed with that bear thing, yet still hasn't gotten the point of it yet. Wow.
It would require putting himself in the headspace of women. And listening and empathizing with women. Completely unviable for him at this point in time, and will continue to be so long as he values protecting his own fragile masculine position over genuine human connection
Misandry is not genuine human connection lmao.
Oh yes I got the insult, thank you very much.
Still! Lol.
As long as you keep repeating your power fantasy that all men are below you and disgusting somehow, and expecting all men to shut up and take it...
No matter what I say that disagrees with your power play, you'll say I'm missing the point lmao. Grow the fuck up.
Would you let 10 deadly snakes into your home if only 1 would bite you? How about 9?
Anyway while you're weighing that I'm going to be somewhere else doing lesbianism as someone who is bi but refuses to deal with men's bullshit.
As a lesbian I fucking swear guys like this make my romantic life so much easier
You buy the women that are used to dating them flowers and they talk about it for a month, or whatever that bit was
My preferred trick is to listen and cook dinner.
And like, I’m not saying men can’t do all this, I’m just confused because it seems like enough don’t that I come off really well to women who dare men
https://youtu.be/-jpmsTLsATs?si=HCnx8o2zne6JFEp9
As someone who doesn't give a fuck about you or your individual experiences, I say you sure are arrogant for assuming any man would be interested in you.
Bwahahaha
Oh that's a good one. Let me get into why it is funny
The lack of self awareness. Note how these two ideas can exist in his head at the same time.
I just directly said I would prefer if men weren't. You mean this as some sort of insult but it'd be a relief if actually true!
Also, the idea that this is the best insult you can come up with, the idea of men being uninterested in me. A real poverty of imagination here.
Anyway, thanks for the chuckle.
You clearly think about men all the time if you have enough time to defend your worthless talking point on lemmy.
My argument wasn't contradictory, if you just stop and think about it. Yes I don't give a fuck as in your singular experience doesn't paint a larger picture.
And yes I do hope no one would be burned by getting interested in someone as toxic as you clearly are.
Yes, do you think because I don't sleep with or date men, men and how to interact with men has been purged from my brain? I still need to interact with male coworkers, strangers, acquaintances, friends, metamours, etc. Lmao. Are your forehead veins throbbing right now?
Wait are you equating men with all people here? Lmao.
And not once did you run away calling them all rapists while going to fetch a bear? Wow. Almost like your entire "I'd pick a bear" thing is a misandrist's wet dream.
Why are you continuing to get mad at this strawman?
Why are you continuously mad at all men?
Why are you continuing to get mad at another strawman?
Of course you'd call it that. Hard to deny your misandry from the past 20 comments though.
Having realistic fears around dealing with men does not mean I hate them.
What are you even trying to cope about? Do you identify with the subgroup of men who are dangerous or are you just upset that women aren't mindreaders so they are cautious around men, and taking it out on women and not the dangerous men who have created the climate of fear and uncertainty?
I'm gay, I'm literally part of the group of men who would never be dangerous to a woman. Yet all I hear is all women are scared of the group I belong to (being a man) even though I've done nothing to deserve it. Then when I defend myself by bringing up how the math doesn't check out suddenly I "don't get it".
It's infuriating.
Don't get me wrong, you're totally allowed to have fears. But punishing the majority for the mistakes of a minority is literally a war crime. I should be allowed to defend myself as well without backlash.
Oh buddy. Gay men can be real shitheads to women(I've literally been assaulted by a gay man as an incredibly shitty joke, also see: "I can't be misogynistic, I'm gay!"), and also we can't tell if someone is gay or bi.
You're equating people being cautious around you to a punishment.
Also the permissive attitude of the majority of men is what allows a minority to abuse women.
You're once again equating me to the worst men you know. Simply because I defend myself from an undeserved insult for being a man. I can't tell anyone's orientation either, but what I know is that there is a close to 0 chance of SA from someone who's not interested in your gender, which is the main "bear" argument.
And of course I'm equating being ostracized and beleaguered by women in general to a punishment, who wouldn't? Should I stop caring just because I'm not interested in them romantically? No, it fucking sucks to be told along the lines of: you're part of this group which you have no control over, and thus you deserve all the shit we say online about you, oh but don't worry it's not applicable to you specifically, we'd just still pick a bear over your kind, is all.
It's also permissive to say I can't complain about you all picking bear and insinuating we're all equally as bad as the worst out there.
The bear argument is about a random man lol. Why do you think it is about you personally?
Being cautious around someone is not the same as ostracizing someone.
It straight up isn't about you specifically though, except you're the type to freak out about it so maybe it is about you. I certainly wouldn't be willing to have this conversation with you in person, you're acting aggrieved about women expressing their feelings. Seriously, why don't you just scream at women to stop feeling the way they feel about men some more, I'm sure that will help things.
Permissive of what though? Because I was complaining about men creating a permissive culture around disrespecting and mistreating women.
We're literally having this conversation because you just can't accept that not all men deserve to be placed in your generalisation that men = bad. So when you say I "think it is about me personally", why not stop generalising then? That'll solve the issue. Say you pick the bear because of the bad ones out there, and not because no man is trustworthy. That will at least clarify that it's an argument from emotions and not logic, since if you try to break it down statistically this stops making rational sense.
Everything I asked, since my first comment, was to stop generalising. Why is this so offensive to you that you had to go this far? And for what? You're basically proving my point that you're only listening to yourself and have no empathy for the 9/10 other innocent guys you lump together with your generalising.
We are literally having this conversation because you're hyperdefensive and equate women being cautious of and scared of men with them thinking men are bad.
I'm guessing you'd be scared of a bear, do you think bears are evil? Do you hate bears?
Literally no one is saying that, you're shadowboxing.
It literally is from logic that you refuse to understand.
You still don't get that the issue is that you're claiming it is generalization when the issue is that women aren't fucking mindreaders and men often conceal their motives and blend in with more benign men. You have to be cautious around men because you don't know what you're getting.
Oh, no, I bet it has to be really hard being viewed with distrust because men as a whole behave badly. The problem is that that feeling doesn't permit you to tell women that they should stop being cautious and that their fears are unreasonable.