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There Can Be No Energy Transition Without China, Says Siemens Energy CEO (www.forbes.com)

submitted 5 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.ml to c/energy@slrpnk.net

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Imagine you were starving in the desert for weeks, finally stumble across a McDonald's, but then go "nah, I don't like their business decisions" and walking away...

Climate Change is kind of a big fucking deal

We constantly bail out industries, they can take a short term hit while they learn to compete.

It's better than causing long term damage to our entire fucking planet.

Jesus dude, just listen to yourself:

Short term profits are more important than the survival of intelligent life on Earth.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I didn't say anything if the sort. You're understanding of how things work is wrong.

Imagine this. 10 factories in China that produce renewable goods for the entire world low enough that no other factories in the world can produce anything.

Or 10 factories in China. 10 in US, 10 in Europe. All producing renewables.

What's better for the environment?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or 10 factories in China. 10 in US, 10 in Europe. All producing renewables.

What’s better for the environment?

If we could magically create the infrastructure from thin air you'd definitely have a point.

But we'd have to wait years, maybe even decades to scale up

We can start that, but we can't wait for it to be started.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Currently there is not enough factories in china to supply the world. More needs to be built. Building them in the west doesn't destroy the ones in China.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So...

You agree with me that we should let people buy Chinese products while we build up our own infrastructure?

I'm just having trouble following you, your comments aren't really consistent

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm saying there needs to be demand for western products. Tariffs are a good way of doing that.

Africa, Asia and south America can still buy Chinese goods.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But it's not just tariffs...

BYD electric cars can't even be sold in America...

Because they're not expensive enough.

Solar panels have flipped from banned to tariffs multiple times off the whims of American industries.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Don’t you find it hypocritical to criticize support of Israel for committing genocide, while advocating support of China who is committing genocide?