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The particular neckbeardy, fedora wearing, Sam Harris listening trend of atheism was a pretty clear reaction to the evangelical psychosis of the Bush administration.

Other geriatrics here can attest that the character of Christianity at the time was way different than it is now. These days, the fascists are more "culturally Christian" and avoid overt bible apologism. But back in the day, these people were constantly on TV spewing young earth creationism and other shit, and they were largely taken seriously. It's hard to believe now how much time was spent "debating" evolution back then. The atheist backlash at least affected discourse aesthetically for some time, making these views laughable, which deplatformed a lot of evangelicals or made them hide their power levels on TV.

Some argue that this brand of atheism justifies imperialism. It does so really only in theory. There really is no material basis for atheists in the US to justify an invasion anywhere in the world. The truth is that Christianity is still a far more powerful force for imperialism. Bush said that God told him to invade Iraq. I don't see any president saying anytime soon that the US needs to secularize a country through force.

If fundamentalist and political religiosity were defeated, then belligerent atheism would dissolve, but the reverse is not true.

Overall, it really does seem like people over emphasize this group of internet no-lifers because of the cultural cringe they manifested.

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[โ€“] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just as someone who was around during that time and very conscious of the atheism thing, they absolutely were justifying invasion. Sure they acted appalled at Bush saying god told him to go to war, but they also spent a lot of time talking about how fundamental Islam was a threat to Western enlightenment. When you have Hitchens giving speeches saying that Muslims are dangerous and they have mushroom clouds on their Jihad flags during a time when wacky Christians are leading their own holy war, it's kinda helping them.

[โ€“] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The dogma that all bad stuff in the world comes from religion is tiresome. Yes, a lot of bad stuff comes from religious motivations, but it's both arrogant and its own form of superstition to believe that the world would be perfect and everyone in it would stop being assholes if that one factor changed overnight.

:reddit-logo: New Atheists wouldn't stop hating otherfied people :us-foreign-policy: if nothing else changed except Islam was no longer a factor. So many of them are Sinophobic and if that was the only factor you'd think that :reddit-logo: New Atheists would like China because of its atheistic national policies.