Yeah, I guess that is true. But somehow I feel more disgusted by music being added to to it, and I guess it's a turn off for a lot people to see death celebrated in this manner. This soldier was just born on the wrong side, he's a victim of his circumstances.

[–] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I agree, those 30s clips that show a person getting blown into pieces are dehumanizing. So is war in general.

But remember who is on the right side of history in this. I am convinced the Ukrainian that edited this clip would rather do something different with their life. Their country got attacked though, and propaganda videos like this one are one way of defending it.

[–] Meansalladknifehands@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think I agree to some extent, but I also think that we're entering the territory of human psychology. Stuff like this can have the reverse effect, we can look at the effect of ISIS and their gore/snuff video campaigns which made the whole world turn against them, and had a moral bolstering effect of the opposition. Sure in the beginning people were afraid of ISIS, but then it transformed into another feeling, a feeling of revenge/justice for the murdered.

I just want to say, this isn't random Ukrainian editing this, the camera is on the drone, it's obviously military propaganda. The Russians do the same, so I'm not calling out Ukraine in anyway.

[–] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think I get your thinking, the options would be a) to produce these clips, or b) not to. I‘m not an expert in military propaganda, maybe @LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz can explain: How would the war evolve if let‘s say only Russia produced these videos, but Ukraine didn’t? I imagine Ukraine would look weak to the outside observer, is that correct? What other effects do you obtain from producing these?

[–] Meansalladknifehands@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

I don't know, I think it's still possible for Ukrainain military to release videos, but cut the ISIS style music videos and the horrible way of killing a person. To me personally, it gives the essence of seeing human life as being nothing more than sick joke. That's probably how Russians can do horrible things to Ukrainains or other people, and I don't think dehumanizing human beings is healthy for anyone or any society. And I do have a higher standard for our allies, to not become the evil they're fighting.