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‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags (web.archive.org)

submitted 1 year ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/news@beehaw.org

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In 2015, many liberal residents in Hamtramck, Michigan, celebrated as their city became the first in the United States to elect a Muslim-majority city council. They viewed the power shift and diversity as a meaningful rebuke of the Islamophobic rhetoric of then Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s campaign. This week many of those same residents watched in dismay as a now fully Muslim and socially conservative city council passed legislation banning Pride flags from being flown on city property that had – like many others being flown around the country – been intended to celebrate the LGBTQ+ community.

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[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“There’s a sense of betrayal,” said the former Hamtramck mayor Karen Majewski, who is Polish American. “We supported you when you were threatened, and now our rights are threatened, and you’re the one doing the threatening.”

Let's see what happens when this Muslim majority council calls for solidarity against discrimination of Muslims.

People victim of discrimination based on religion deserve to be defended. At the same time this council deserve to be recalled they were threatening others' right not too long ago. A little shaming won't hurt and hopefully would make them rethink their stance.

[–] NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A recall is necessary but I highly doubt anything will be learned. Religion fosters absolutist-type thinking, and expecting Muslims to be an exception to this just because Christians don't like them is absurdly silly.

[–] Jo@readit.buzz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not all Muslims agree with them, of course. These are conservative Muslims. "Rights for me and not for thee" is a right-wing trait, regardless of religious belief or heritage.

[–] bobthened@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The vast majority of religious people are ideologically conservative though.

[–] Jo@readit.buzz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think that's true? It might be true of USian Christians because the Christian right has run riot there for the last 40 years. But I don't think it generalises?

There is a Christian right in the UK but they're not really that prominent outside of the Northern Irish context (where they are sadly all too prominent). I think most British people would associate Christians with feeding people, and cardigans. Our Christian churches are mulling over whether to perform same-sex marriages, not trying to ban them for everyone.

And the UK Muslim vote is firmly on the 'left', of course. But I don't know how that breaks down by heritage vs belief (or centre vs actual left).

[–] bobthened@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

I’m not exclusively talking about the USA. I live in the UK myself and I still think that most religious people are somewhat conservative. Doing charity doesn’t make you not right wing, in fact some would argue that charity is a right wing concept because right wingers believe that things like feeding the homeless should be done by charitable individuals and organisations, rather than it being something that the government should be fixing (like many left-wing people believe).

There are many different flavours of conservatism, not all of them are rabid screaming morons who publicly admit to their bigotry, many are much quieter and subtle.