this post was submitted on 15 May 2024
954 points (98.1% liked)

Microblog Memes

5778 readers
2286 users here now

A place to share screenshots of Microblog posts, whether from Mastodon, tumblr, ~~Twitter~~ X, KBin, Threads or elsewhere.

Created as an evolution of White People Twitter and other tweet-capture subreddits.

Rules:

  1. Please put at least one word relevant to the post in the post title.
  2. Be nice.
  3. No advertising, brand promotion or guerilla marketing.
  4. Posters are encouraged to link to the toot or tweet etc in the description of posts.

Related communities:

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No, it wasn't wrong because it didn't specify which average was meant. If it was "arithmetic average", it would be wrong.

[–] Lemmeenym@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It would still be right. The test results are reported on a normalized curve so all measures of central tendency are all equal.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you don't specify then the statement needs to hold for all averages to be correct.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"I have a ball"
"So you have a red ball?"
"No, it's green"
"If you don't specify then the statement needs to hold for all balls to be correct."

And by the way: for the given plot, it is correct for all averages

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

More like

"Balls are orange"
"That's wrong"
"Ah but basketballs are balls and they are orange, gotcha"
"No, you just said balls, that's too generic, if you meant basket balls you should have said basket balls."

[–] GildorInglorion@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

not all basketballs are orange

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago

Who cares? Everyone understands the example anyway.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

But the average basketball is

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The comment said "below average", not "below averages"

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter for the issue at hand, that's just a question of language relating to the example. A different example:

"A set always has a maximal element under the larger-than relation for numbers"
"That's wrong"
"Ah but any set of natural numbers has a maximal element, that is also a set, gotcha"
"No, you just said set, that's too generic, if you meant any set of natural numbers you should have said that."

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"You're as stubborn as my brother"
"But your younger brother isn't stubborn at all"
"I was talking about my older brother"

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The average is a generic concept covering multiple more specific concepts like mean and median. If you say something about the generic concept it should not depend on any properties of just one of the specific concepts, in order to hold generally.

Your brother is a term for a single person that is simply under-determined and could turn out to apply to either one, but not both. What you say about your brother should apply to the brother you mean, in order to hold.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

I don't even understand what you mean. If it covers more than one concept that can contradict each other, how can you expect that it is true for all of them?

Take the set 1, 7, 10. When I say the average is 7, you can say "no, the mean is 6" and when I say the average is 6 you will answer "no, the median is 7"