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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It is also relevant that he doesn't want to end democracy in the Unites States, "finish the job" in Gaza, or fire on protestors with live ammunition.

yet, he does. democracy is barely a thing in the US, israel is finishing the job on gaza with his money, and students were disproportionaly crushed by the police for daring to even complain.

i judge politicians by actions and not words.

Rail strike worst president ever both sides amirite

unironically this. he used police force to coopt what could have been the first actual worker win in decades for less than bare minimum rights. he prohibited them from striking. he did stop rich people from losing money from it.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I didn’t realize that the police departments reported directly to the President. Do you have a source on that?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

how will trump shoot the protesters like op is saying he will then?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

He can’t. They were simply referring to Trump’s response to the peaceful protest of the killing of George Floyd. “Can't you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something?” It’s not within his power, although it does clearly illuminate his opinion of protesters.

If the President takes direct oversight of local law enforcement, we have much larger problems on our hands. That’s exactly how Benito Mussolini took fascist control of his nation.

https://www.history.com/news/mussolini-italy-fascism#

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If the President takes direct oversight of local law enforcement, we have much larger problems on our hands.

why cant biden do this then?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

For the same reason Trump can’t. I wrote “the President,” not Trump, for a reason. There’s a hierarchy in local and state law enforcement unlike the direct command of military or the National Guard. They are state-regulated bodies, not overseen nationally. The Director-General of Police reports to the Mayor, who in turn reports to the Governor.

If the National Guard shows up to regulate a protest, you can blame the President. Y’know, like Trump did to the protesters in DC and Portland.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-barr-used-loophole-deploy-national-guard-u-s-cities-ncna1236034

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I’m not OP, but Trump attempted more than once to have the National Guard shoot protesters with live ammunition.

There are enough guardrails in place that it didn’t work, but part of what I expect this time around would be the Florida State Guard and similar Neo-brownshirts coming into their own so that he would literally be able to do it.

Also, he had CBP showing up to protests and snatching people without identifying themselves or utilizing the existing jail / police / court infrastructure. It actually took a little time for people to even figure out who were these unidentified big quasi-police grabbing protestors and driving away with them, or where they had taken them.

Biden is, as far as I know, not personally involved in violence against protesters today. Trump was personally involved in violence against BLM protesters, and wanted to increase its severity to lethal force levels.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Yes. The President can direct the National Guard, not the state or local police that have been shutting down protests. Their oversight begins with the Mayor, and stops at the Governor. The President must formally declare a National Emergency to have police oversight. If you want to complain about the police, blame the Mayor. If the National Guard shuts down a protest, blame Biden.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago