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[–] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 28 points 5 months ago (4 children)

what is a vaccine injury? I vaccinated my son with all the required vaccines and he has yet to be sick.

in some countries that is mandatory to be able to send your child to any school.

[–] Schmuppes@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is true that vaccines can have rare adverse effects. That's why we have clinical trials and experts evaluate if the benefits massively outweigh the risks. Vaccines are never really 100% safe, but always pretty damn close.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

And ultimately, the disease the vaccine prevents is much more dangerous than the side effects. Rare reactions can kill you, but measles is much more likely to.

It’s like the people who refuse to wear seatbelts because they have the potential to harm you in an accident.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There are very rare side effects. It's still safer to get vaccinated and not die of communicable disease though.

[–] Naboo_calls_for_aid@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 months ago

Yah, props for mentioning, all to often it's a question that goes unanswered in these discussions. I completely agree the pros outweigh the cons and it's better to eradicate some of these diseases. I fear that a big reason some who choose to not vaccinate do so is because of the lack of transparency about vaccine injury. They have a family member or close acquaintance that experienced it firsthand and the public discussion around it is often toxic to the point it feels conspiratorial with people only pointing to the Wakefield study (which was garbage so doesn't help either side). Researching it without a great understanding of it can return a lot of confirmation bias too.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Back in the beginning of vaccines, there was 1 in 100 chance of dying of the vaccine. Of course, smallpox killed you 1 out of 3. People are pretending we're still at that 1/100 rate for modern vaccines.

[–] Artoink@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Assuming you're talking about the Polio vaccine, that 1-in-100 stat is way off. It was never that bad.

The rollout for the Salk vaccine (the original polio vaccine) in the 1950’s was for 1.3 million children. It was probably the worst vaccine incident of all time because Cutter Laboratories, who produced roughly 200,000 of the doses, made defective batches that contained still living polio virus (and because of how vaccines are made now this is no longer an issue). Several thousand reported cases of polio, 200 permanent injured, and 10 dead.

Even if you were one of the unlucky people to specifically receive a defective vaccine, you still only had a 1/20000 chance of dying. If you look at the entire rollout then it was only 1/130000.

You're right about the 1-in-3 chance of dying from polio though, so even with it being one of the least effective and most dangerous vaccines ever mass produced it was still hailed as a massive success and won numerous people Nobel prizes.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That was for the first smallpox vaccine. 1796. The chances of something going wrong with vaccines have been steadily decreasing since then.

[–] Artoink@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Oh wow, that was way before I thought.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 1 points 5 months ago

Yes but now your kid is triple autistic and poops chemtrails.