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No one said its a magic wand, it's one of many things that could potrntislly help reduce the damage we do to the ecosystem.
Yes capitalism bad but there's eight billion people on the planet so a communist system would also need modern materials to allow everyone to live a good life.
Of course they don't say it's a "magic wand..." even the media doesn't think you're that stupid.
So when do they start? As I've already implied - they've been enthusiastically peddling "techno-fixes" to these problems since at least the 80s (I know because I was there), and they haven't made much of a dent, have they? Does it perhaps have something to do with the fact that the problems caused by capitalism isn't technological, perhaps?
If the problems aren't technological it means modern materials isn't the problem, is it?
The problem is caused by eight billion people wanting to live full lives with meaning and purpose.
I guess your childhood was very different to mine, or more likely you'd currently living in a sealed community like the Amish but locked to cassette decks and big hair. For those of us living in reality things have changed massively since the 80s, even the US has more solar generation than coal generation, electric car usage is starting to dent oil demand, work from home and automation is starting to reduce commuting - but you wouldn't know about these things because they're only possible due to lots of advances that happened since you got frozen in the time bubble.
No its not perfect, life is hugely complex and global society even more so but less people die of dysentery every year, more industries move to sustainable models and ecologically safe practices all the time, and new options for people trying to create solutions reach the market everyday.
What do you think we should do? Shut off the oil snd let billions die as global society collapsed and chaos is unleashed as billions od desperate people destroy everything in a panic? Or more likely you don't have a solution because you don't care it's just an empty argument to help you avoid reality.
If you install a communist system will people magically not want food and water and entertainment? Did Deng modernise Mao s vision because the revolutionaries were all secretly CIA agents or because it's.not actually very easy to create a fully working centrally planned economy?
Just saying capitalism is the problem doesn't help anyone if your only solution is wishing upon a star.
I thought that only tankies resort to flooding a reply with bullshit whining to try and deflect from the point - yet here you are, liberal.
I guess you really aren't that different.
I responded to your message, you have no answers so you resort to name calling
I didn't message you, liberal. Entitle yourself to that kind of importance when you're circle-jerking with your liberal friends, okay?
Yes and I responded to yours, why are you crying about it?
Again... I never messaged you. If you don't understand the difference between a message and a post, feel free to ask someone that cares.
Yes and I responded to it, that is what this whole fediverse thing all about.
For the last time… I never messaged you, okay?
You sent a message to which responded. I don't understand what is so difficult for you about this
I never messaged you. Period.
What is your point here? You sent a message on a public forum which I responded to as is to be expected by the nature of the platform. I demonstrated that your opinion was wrong, to this you had no argument beside insults and are now obsessing over nothing
Again... if you don’t understand the difference between a message and a post, feel free to ask someone that cares.
One is for the person you sent it to to reply to, the other is open for anyone to reply to.
Saying that me proving you wrong didn't count because you didn't address the post solely to me makes no sense. Defend your argument or accept I demonstrated you are wrong, this weird attempt at lawyerimg who's allowed to respond to your public posts is convincing no one.
Again… if you don’t understand the difference between a message and a post, feel free to ask someone that cares.
I thoroughly debunked your white supremacist and pro-colonialist shitfuckery, apologist - it's not my fault that you split the argument in a futile attempt to distract from said shitfuckery.
How did you debunk anything? You've made spurious allegations that don't even make sense but you didn't even make any arguments? The only thing you're arguing is that it's somehow wrong for me to have responded to your message because it was in the form of a post not a dm which in your mind means people shouldn't be allowed to demonstrate you're wrong or something.
Again... I thoroughly debunked your white supremacist and pro-colonialist shitfuckery, apologist.
Again, it’s not my fault that you split the argument in a futile attempt to distract from said shitfuckery.
Again… if you don’t understand the difference between a message and a post, feel free to ask someone that cares.
You haven't debunked anything at all, you simply made baseless allegations of white supremacy without even trying to justify them.
Again... I thoroughly debunked your white supremacist and pro-colonialist shitfuckery, apologist.
Again, it’s not my fault that you split the argument in a futile attempt to distract from said shitfuckery.