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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think humans (like all animals) are fundamentally flawed for several reasons. Animals, including us, are programmed to procreate and consume and (for some species) construct things. It's all about survival and thriving. All animals all have a general "I got mine, fuck you" mindset.

We despise cancer for its brainless infinite growth programming...when our operational model is hardly different.

In short, I think we're all a bunch of selfish idiots competing against each other and other life forms. There is no greater purpose or benevolent spirit watching, much less cheering us on. Where there is life, it's just reproducing and eating and dying and repeating that cycle for as long as the local environment allows.

So no, I don't think the good in humankind will prevail. There's evidence all around that goodness is losing the battle to greed and other self-destructive tendencies. Things which are hard-wired in the human animal. Don't look up!

Is that an excuse to not even try? No, I don't think so. I think we are still morally and ethically obligated to always strive to do better and fight against that brainless animal programming. Even if goodness ultimately fails, it can greatly reduce suffering along the way. And perhaps keep the concept of a new "enlightenment" alive long enough that we do eventually figure out a way to break out of that animal programming and build some kind of egalitarian utopia. Because there is also evidence all around us of people performing selfless acts of self-sacrifice to help others.

I think the chances are very, very slim of that utopia ever happening. Because quite frankly, evil is like a force of nature and goodness is like a guy with a shovel and a plan. But I do think utopia is theoretically possible.

In short, I think it goodness will not prevail, but I would love to be dead wrong about this. I hope goodness wins.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

how do you explain the values indicating that the world has never been a safer place than it is today, and gets safer constantly?

i smell a lot of confirmation bias in your comment.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This sounds like Pinker. I think his book was debunked, wasn't it?

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s not one person, its a tremendous amount of statistics.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Some good and encouraging stats in there. Most of which do little to undermine my position about fundamental human nature.

Article last updated in 2018. The war in Ukraine, genocide in Gaza, rising inflation, food and petroleum shortages, global warming, mass extinction of myriad species, and ascending fascism are all pulling these graphs back towards regression to the mean, I'm afraid.

The media tends to overstate these things on the crime and despair side, I will quickly admit that. But there's plenty of wishful thinking and denial coming from psychologists and sociologists (and often-cited airport books) on the other side.

Pinker and others in his camp were/are arguing that giving more power to the state helps mitigate and even reverse many of these social issues. I agree with them on this. But, the staristics and context of the underlying data is a bit dubious.

Appreciate the article. Thanks.