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They were visually stunning but the plot was mid at best.
HARD disagree. You don't have to enjoy it, everyone is free to like what they like, but all three films are critically acclaimed and adored by fans worldwide for a reason. And no, not all popular media is good media, but these are not popular enough to fall into that category.
Miyazaki's movies are more in the "visually stunning but mid" status IMO. Like, Howl's was great, everything else is meh to me. But I also know that many people love them - including my wife - so I respect that they are good movies.
This comment cracks me up.
You start off by pointing to how popular it is, implying that must mean it's good.
And then you go onto to imply that popular can be bad, but because these aren't that popular (contradicting yourself), it's implied that that makes them good. Which is, in and of itself, bizarre. . .as if unpopular media can't be bad.
"popular media that is actually bad" typically involves a formula that panders or a franchise that has hit a critical mass where people start wanting to be part of the "in group". I don't feel like Makoto Shinkai's films fit that type of pattern. That's all I was trying to say (poorly)
I was on board until you started talking shit about Miyazaki. Have you seen Castle in the Sky? Fantastic plot and visuals.
Castle in the sky is definitely one of his better ones. Wasn't trying to talk shit either. I know people love them and with good reason. I just don't think they're all that. Except Howl's. That movie rocks.
Howl's is my personal favorite too. The soundtrack alone makes me feel things.
Yeah I'm a big music nerd and the soundtrack definitely contributes to it being my favorite :D
You can get critical acclaim for a ham sandwich with the right publicist. And it'll have fans worldwide with a big enough marketing budget. In no small part thanks to the obscene ad buys for this film and Suzume, they got exactly that.
Jesus, this is what I'm talking about. The Boy and The Heron got goose-egg for a marketing budget and people still queued up around the block to see it.
Meanwhile, I couldn't make it a city block in Tokyo or Seoul without seeing a ten story tall billboard for Suzume. Makoto Shinkai and Koichiro Itou ape the Miyazaki style, but fall far short in the script delivery. They're riding Miyazaki's coat tails with all style and no substance.
There's simply no throughline in Your Name or Suzume. Things just... happen. The characters are never well-developed or distinguishable from their stereotypes. The dialogue is awful. Neither hold a candle to Princess Mononoke.
Wait you actually thought Boy and the Heron had a plot?
My wife literally has multiple limbs covered in Miyazaki tattoos and even she walked out of that movie going "WTF was that mess?"
We'll just have to agree to disagree here. Clearly we have different opinions of what makes for a good story
More of a plot than Suzume, definitely.
The nature of two online nerds talking anime, I guess.