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Conservative Plan Calls for Dozens of Executions if Trump Wins
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They want blood. No matter the route. If I can ask anything of my fellow liberals is that you arm yourselfs. I'm not saying we take to the streets with weapons. I'm saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
When the nazis came to power, they forcibly took away the guns of their victims. They'd send a squad of SS to your house, surround it, and force you to give up the gun. If you didn't, they'd kill you, if you did, they still got you in the end.
Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn't survive.
If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.
The first thing the nazis did, was purge the bureaucracy. Taking away guns was no concern, at all.
Privately owned guns played no significant role in the nazis' rise to or hold on power. Anything else is simply marketing by american gun sellers.
About 10-15,000 jewish germans survived the holocaust by going underground in Germany. They were colloquially called U-Boote or Illegale. Of course, that has nothing to do with guns. Guns were, after all, handed out to any able-bodied male.
That is only partly true. Germans are only a small fraction of holocaust victims (<5%). The victims overwhelmingly came from eastern Europe, particularly Poland and the Soviet Union. The holocaust happened in the wake of the advancing Wehrmacht. A more far-sighted response to german war preparations would have made a difference. A lesson one must bear in mind in today's world.
Yeah, it's a fucking joke to assume that guns are a hedge against fascism. They'll take your guns or shoot you. Maybe there's some protection in being an organised group in the moment, but if they want to get you they'll get you.
Ruby ridge.
Whilst members of the Weaver family were illegally killed by the government at Ruby Ridge, what's less known is that Randy Weaver was hanging out with people from the Aryan Nation movement, and a believer in the Posse Comitatus theory of law.
It was White Nationalists that later erased these facts to promote the Weaver's story as they (rightly) believed it would inspire others into their life style.
Timothy McVeigh cited the story as one of the reasons for his bombing of a federal government building and its daycare centre.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/05/13/randy-weaver-influential-figure-white-supremacist-militia-movements-has-died
Oh I certainly wasn’t defending him or the white supremacist community he was a part of.
I was also tempted to mention Wako and the Davidians.
My point was, no matter how many guns you have, the machine will always win in a gun fight.
Part of the reason the Nazis didnt face too much resistance is because a possible major for of resistance got purged before their rise. The Spartacists got purged pretty thoroughly by the Freikorps who also used it as an excuse to purge other similar groups.
Also guns would be one of many different tools in such a resistance scenario, alongside things like car bombs and just stabbing people. Its just convenient to have a long range weapon that requires little training, mind you stealing a gun or manufacturing one would also be viable i guess.
There will be insanity if he's allowed to run at all.
There should be no way for people to participate in a democracy they have attempted to overthrow, and these fuckers are absolutely going to try again. It will be a shitshow. I hope the US justice system comes through, but it will be a very dangerous time for America if Trump and his cronies are not prosecuted for their crimes before the next election.
I have some bad news.
Even if Trump gets prosecuted for 1/6 before the election, there is ZERO chance it's completed before the election. There will be appeals carrying it on for YEARS.
That being said too, there's nothing in the charges that would disqualify him on conviction. There SHOULD BE, but there isn't.
Ideally I'd like to see Congress get their shit together and get a Constitutional amendment that says "Convicted felons are inelligible".
That would solve the problem right there. Convict him in the Stormy Daniels case, problem solved.
No, I don't think it would be good to strip felons of their ability to be president. People who protest too hard can get felonies. People who steal too many diapers and infant formula for their kids ($2k worth, which is lower threshold every year due to inflation) can get felonies. The felony system is deeply corrupt. We should restore felon's right to vote.
We need to fix the issues that elect someone deeply unpopular like Trump in the first place - like gerrymandering and uneven delegates. A vote should just be a vote. We should have approval voting (similar to ranked choice). More fascism isn't the answer.
Word? Do tell, what will happen if you don't get your way? Make sure it's actual information, per rule #4, misinformation is a bannable offense.
We should also all be prepared for the absolute insanity that will ensue if he loses. I fear we will have a more violent insurrection this time around and maybe even local violence in some areas.
Nah, without control of the levers of government they're just terrorists. Don't forget that the government was well warned about Jan 6, and Trump's team actively suppressed preparation and response. It's not going to be the same if Biden is in office.
There will be no local violence. His supporters are riding rascals through Walmart, the few that could participate will turn and run when shit gets real, just like 1/6
Then you're doing nothing but shilling for the gun lobby, who immediately donate millions to the worst Republicans.
If you're going to advocate guns, you should be willing to tell people what to use them for.
I mean that's a pretty stupid thing to say considering everyone knows you'll get your comment removed and probably also your account banned for explaining what should actually be done, what should actually be being done, right now. Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen, but by then they'll have pulled the plug on the internet anyway..
It’s a federated platform, if you feel like the mods are standing in the way then leave to another instance.
What a joke you are. Are we actually supposed to pretend your guns are more than cosplay props when you're not even willing to risk being banned from anonymous social media to advocate your cause?
Well I'm not scared of being banned, so take your guns and your pro-gun astroturfing and fuck off.
A highly public series of rapid-fire executions gives Trump some very immediate media "wins".
And when you review the list of death row inmates its easy to see how conservatives can twist any objection to execution as endorsement of police slayings, carjackings, kidnappings, and child murder.
Right-wing news will have a field day announcing "Daniel Troya, the man who murdered an entire family in cold blood JUST GOT HIS DAY OF JUSTICE!" with swooping infographics and blaring trumpets. Drag on some Project Veritas stooge with B-roll footage of a crying pink haired college kid and topping it off with "WOKE LIBERALS ARE SO OWNED!" and you'll have a fascist feeding frenzy.
Real Helms Deep Hours.
He won't win.
= arm yourselves!
Americans are so silly, you’ll never outgun the US military
You ever heard of guerilla tactics? An authoritarian army doesn't need to be out gunned to have a really bad time
The country of Vietnam lost millions of its people to push out some 50-60k US soldiers. Quite a few of them died in hideous fashion. Burned alive by napalm. Poisoned by nerve gas. Tied up and thrown in a ditch, then buried alive. Tortured in prison camps for weeks, before succumbing.
We're seeing the same shit play out in Palestine, under the Israeli occupation. Nightmarish brutality inflicted on insurgents, on neighborhoods where those insurgents lived, on friends and family with even the most tangential relationship to the insurgency. On people a thousand miles away who show the most pacifist support for human rights.
Can a guerrilla war win? Sure. Over 15-30 years, a persistent armed resistance can potentially overcome the cost-constrained and geographically removed military occupation. Will you live to see the end? Ho Chi Min didn't. Sitting Bull didn't. Che Guevera didn't.
Arguing for terrorism, while noble, doesn’t correlate with “buy some guns and sit around”
The idea of tactics also requires related knowledge and planning that you don’t learn from buying guns
Really.. we're doing this stupid chit again?
This is actually the incarnation of “Defending the Free State” IMO. To be clear, the right to bear arms does not mean you get to attack and overthrow the government, but to defend yourself (along with other states) against any state trying to impose tyranny. The federalist papers posited this (no they’re not law, and they certainly have other issues) and IMO it makes sense, even if it is a view shaped in a time that no longer exists.
Late edit: you don’t get to attack and overthrow the government because you find some policy inconvenient or irritating personally. Tyranny I think is pretty specific, and has nothing to do with government trying to push things like saving life on earth, incentivizing electric vehicles, someone asking for a different name than their birth gender, or trying to protect kids and everyone else from random or other actors with firearms intent on mass death.
Sorry, best we can do is pearl-clutching ourselves into banning everything.