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My family immigrated to the UK from Poland when I was six. I'm 20 now, speak much better English than Polish and feel like this is my land/culture. However I have a Polish first and last name, Polish passport and "unique" accent everyone picks up on, so despite this I'm usually perceived as an outsider. It makes me really sad because I don't "belong" in Poland anymore either. Everything seems so complicated especially as I've gotten older with having to get the right documentation for work and opening a bank account and etc also.... Not even sure if I can vote in the next general election even though I feel like I should be able to?

I've had a few nasty instances of being told to go back to my own country, even had a conker thrown at my head while a boy yelled Polski at me in year 11, and tbh even just been seen as a novelty and being asked to say something in Polish has gotten really old. I guess I'm just wondering if I'll ever truly fit in. For some context, I grew up in North England and now live in Wales

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[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

British people are few and far between in London? Ok then.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Compared to the rest of the country in the ethnic-cultural sense? Yeah absolutely.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London

London is 36.8% White British

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester

For comparison a major metropolitan area like the city of Manchester is 59.3% White British

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_and_Hove#

Brighton is 80.5% White British

Furthermore in London, 40.7% of people are born in another country, and 56.8% of people are born to a foreign-born mother. This is of course including those who identify as White British on the census.

That's what makes London so different from the rest of the country imo, and a way better place to be as a young person who doesn't feel like they belong elsewhere.

[–] livus@kbin.social 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

We all agree London is cosmopolitan.

I think they were objecting to the phrase "few and far between".

You really can't use it to describe a situation of almost 2 in 5.

If 2 in every 5 cars you see are red you can't say red cars are few and far between.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

Oh sure. I was speaking relatively.

[–] CalciumDeficiency@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago

Yee, 's why I left.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Compared to the rest of the country in the ethnic-cultural sense? Yeah absolutely.

Nobody disputes that London has a substantially more diverse population than other places - but it's still completely untrue to say "British people are few and far between" in London, even if you restrict it to White British (which your original claim did not).

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Simmer down buddy, no need to get your blood pressure up - I clarified the statement didn't I?

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Blood pressure is fine, thanks.

You did, but I wasn't wrong to object to your original, unclarified claim.

The reason I did is that it's the kind of thing that you hear being used as a racist dog whistle - "Oh, there are parts of London that are no-go areas, you never see a white face..." etc.

I'm not saying you were doing that, but the way you worded it left it open to that interpretation.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ah in that case yeah I definitely did not mean it that way, but it's also not a good look for the left to come off as to utterly deny demographics when facts are very easy to find, especially if you have a pro-immigration stance.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

it's also not a good look for the left to come off as to utterly deny demographics

Not sure if you mean me here, but I didn't think I was doing that at all.