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Can someone please explain to me, a dumdum, why I should be blaming the engineers rather than the people pulling their strings?
Because engineers can say "no". I've done that and lost my job over it. No regrets.
This! Good for you for standing up, my friend!
Because you, as an employee, have a choice. Have you been asked to do something unethical, something that violates your principles?
That happened to me in my previous job. I told my team and reported it to my superiors. My refusal got me a personal audience with the CEO. But when another thing happened that got me asking around. And when that guy got promoted, our whole team left.
Yeah you can do that if you don't need your job to survive. If you live paycheck to paycheck it's much harder to say no.
Yes. And Google engineers can easily get an engineering job anywhere else so they’ll be fine if they say no.
You definitely have a point for people just beginning their careers or working in another field. I do not know of a single engineer at a mid-level or senior position who couldn't afford to say no to something that's not right.
Would also be possible for more people if we had more unions.
I don't think Google engineers are living paycheck to paycheck,
Google Software Engineer Salaries, average compensation by level:
Well, living paycheck to paycheck isn't directly tied to your salary, but to your spending versus your salary. So they could easily live paycheck to paycheck, but it's probably less common with that amount of income. I do agree with you that I don't think Google engineers live paycheck to paycheck.
I see what you're saying but I still disagree. If you are making that much money and living paycheck to paycheck, it's your own fault and is a lack of self control or money management knowledge. If you're making $7.25 an hour and living paycheck to paycheck, no amount of self control and money management knowledge will mean you aren't living paycheck to paycheck. Living paycheck to paycheck is a personal failing when you're in the top 1% of earners in the country.
You disagree with that I don't think Google engineers live paycheck to paycheck?
Oh, and I disagree with your assertion that you can't get out of living paycheck to paycheck on 7.25 an hour. It's obviously harder, because everyone has a minimum amount of money necessary just to live, but I've lived on 5.5 an hour when calculated as 7.5 hours 5 days a week 4 weeks a month (because that was easier to calculate; the actual monthly spend that 5.5 was calculated from was calculated at 30 days per month instead of the 28 the per hour calculation was made from (and if the per hour calculation was made more exact it would lower the effective remuneration per hour necessary to survive that month))