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Disgusting
The United States is funding and arming a genocide against the Gazans. And you diminish this abomination.
We Americans deserve what we get
Did you miss the entire point there?
Seriously, THAT is the part you picked up? Read, you fool...
Seriously, these are the people I'm supposed to have solidarity with? They treat dogs better than they treat Palestinians. Fuck all of that.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391
Cool, now do Biden's hard-line position!! Only one of these guys is currently in power with his foot on the genocide gas pedal and nobody here seems to want to do anything to stop it! Absolute horse shit if you ask me
Do you prefer genocide or more genocide and the end of democracy? That's where we are at right now.
Like what, vote for Trump? There's at least a small hope that biden gets fed up with Israel's shit, trump fully supports it.
Explain how it is that this is actually where we are at.
And, if this is actually where we are at, then why should any of us want to maintain such a system? Shouldn't a system that is reliant on genocide be dismantled? Isn't that the entire point of the Nuremberg Trials?
Wow, sounds like a shitty failure of a system that I would be an absolute rube to support in any way.
The answer surely isn't "vote for joe no matter what he does, no line is too far"
Question, who should someone who wants to end the genocide, vote for? What is your suggestion? How and why would that vote change the situation for the better? How likelihood is the desired outcome?
You should be protesting against the war and show solidarity with others doing the same
Panic posting about protestors endangering an election is counter effectual; if you want to help you can start by keeping your mouth shut about the election in the context of the protest.
Thanks for the advice but it doesn't answer my questions.
It also ignores the context of the conversation. The commenter seems to be implying that you shouldn't vote for Biden. And I would like to hear their suggestion.
There is no option to end the genocide on the ballot in November, that's the point. Your time is better spent pushing one of the options that is on the ballot towards ending support.
I am happy to see your passion. And I agree with you but I am asking the person, whom I should be voting for in their opinion. I want to hear THEIR opinion. Thanks.
You understand that responding in Public to a public discourse is the default unless you want to hide something.
Blaming me for "wasting everyone's time" for asking someone else a question in public in response to that person's public statement, how odd.
How is it leading and disingenuous to ask someone about their opinion on an issue? Especially if I don't limit their options what so ever. I guess it is leading if you already think it is disingenuous, which would raise the question "what makes you think that?". But I don't want to waste your time like you wasted mine and everyone else's by responding to a question that you didn't attempt to even answer and wasn't asked to you either.
If you don't want someone else answering your open question on a public forum, then don't place that question on an open forum. Doing so makes it look like you're not actually asking the question so that it's answered, you're asking it to score rhetorical points against an opponent.
Lmao, idk I think I did answer it, you just didn't like it because it wasn't within the binary you were trying to frame the issue through (even though you totally weren't trying to 'limit their options what so ever')
If you think i'm wasting your time you can block me.
I asked for whom to vote from a ending the genocide perspective and why that. You "answered" by telling me what I should be doing outside of voting.
That is like someone asks you how they could fix their dietary habits and you tell them to do sports. Sports are probably a good advice but it isn't helping them to fix their dietary habits. It is missing the point. It isn't answering the question.
I am not gonna bother with your rhetorical points insult, as it is based in the assumption that I don't want an answer because I don't accept answers that fail to answer the question.
Whether or not, a question is answered, is a pretty binary issue. but I think you mean the election with 7(?) candidates. Of which I would accept any as a response, if one was given. I am not sure about how that is binary though.
Oh the wasting time stuff was to point out the absurd nature of your impaction that I am wasting anyone's time by asking a question that they can ignore, compared to bothering someone who is actively looking for an answer with non-answers.
Because you can't end a genocide by voting, that's why it's a disingenuous question and I think you know that. You can leverage a vote to push for it, but none of the candidates are beholden to doing jack shit once they're actually in office even if they claim to support ending it, so the best course of action is to pressure the one that's in office now.
That's the point of those of us who say it doesn't matter who you vote for in the context of ending Palestinian genocide - it wouldn't change the outcome without outside action regardless.
You're wasting people's time who would happily explain the perspective to you if not for the deliberate attempt to frame the question around electoral politics.
Mate, I would agree with you if you wouldn't fail to realize that I ask someone who made a statement regarding the election in the context of ending the genocide. Acting like I set the scene, is dishonest. I am sure you aren't doing it intentional. You just forgot.
And you are right and wrong about being unable about ending a genocide by voting. You are also kinda unable to end it by protesting... Until it actually works. It is an attempt. An attempt is something and something is better than nothing while people die.
Also let's not act like saying you wouldn't vote for Biden over it isn't pressuring the current one in power.
And you might also should have realized that in my question I asked included the likelihood of the desired outcome. So I had the whole breaking election promises, betting on the wrong horse and it all being fucking pointless covered.
And btw. Now you gave me an answer to my question from your perspective, it doesn't matter because it doesn't change shit. In other words, vote for whoever you want for other reasons. I know your opinion and I got my answer from you. Still not the guy that I asked but at least an answer.
I'm assuming you didn't intend the double negative and actually meant "let's not act like saying you wouldn't vote for Biden over it is pressuring the current one in power", and I would point to any centrist media commentary on the protests where the pundits are freaking the fuck out over the threat of this issue sinking Biden's reelection. The protests and agitation keeps the focus on the issue and keeps the pressure on the administration to address it. Anything that threatens Biden's chances puts pressure and urgency on him to address the issue, including threatening not to vote for him (and encouraging others to join the cause in solidarity).
What makes that guy so special that his response is the only one that matters to you? Really sounds like you're trying to bait him into a debate, bud.
Because they, unlike you, made the statement.
It is that simple. I heard you out too. I just wanted to highlight that you choose to engage with my question to another person. Highlighting how extremely odd this interaction is. I asked another person a question. You chose to engage that question but you avoided answering while insulting me. In the end, you finally express your opinion. I had to point out that you finally answered the question that was the starting point of our conversation that you chose to engage with, in hopes you realize that I actually want an fucking answer and that i ain't asking for much of an discussion or proof standard but just a fucking opinion. and again you could have just avoided it completely, you chose to engage.
Thanks.
The answer is "vote for Joe despite him not doing more to aid Gaza, because the only alternative is far, far worse".
Why should anyone support the continuation of a system that offers this as the best available choice?
Disgusting
Russia is funding and arming a fascist movement against the Americans. And you diminish this abimination. /s
Man, it's so easy to make someone sound bad when you purposefully misrepresent what they said. You didn't actually engage with them. You only tried to make them sound evil, even though they're advocating for protecting Palestinians as much as we possibly can. Please stop this garbage.
Please read the comment and explain how the person was "advocating for protecting Palestinians as much as we possibly can."
To me it sounds like they don't care about them at all, and see them as nothing more than an inconvenience in getting Biden reelected. Which is the mainstream Dem position
Comment is reposted below for your convenience:
"As "funny" as this might be, if you don't fucking vote Biden you're likely voting for a huge world wide change off a cliff. If Trump wins, then your precious Gaza will be wiped out or whatever similar words he used. And that is just the start. His claims, he wants to be a dictator, the 2025 document basically wishes the US to become Gilead, and lots more fun stuff.
Seriously, maybe this might be slightly panicky, but these are things that are in all seriousness claimed by the Republican party and Trump. That is what you will be voting for if you don't vote Biden , so how about you shut the . up for now about this, at least until after the elections?
On a side note, I can guarantee you that these groups end up receiving funding from Russia and whatnot. Not that they do that willingly or knowingly, but with Russia continuously meddling in US politics, you can rest assured that Putin won't sit by while this is happening, he needs his useful idiot in US power."