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[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Americans like you are the absolute worst. So damn irresponsible. All that undeserved extra voting power you have, and you choose to squander it and use it for an act of shameful self-righteousness, with no regard for the consequences of your actions. You clearly have zero respect for progressive politics, progressive movements, and even progressive leaders.

Ignorant liberal voters: as useful for destroying democracy as ignorant fascists

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm always teleported back to grade school and the token, "rough home life" kid. They sit there and back talk the teacher all day long applying their contrarian logic to everything little thing. Hell, on some level I'd even agree with them but not because they're right in what they are doing but they accidentally make a salient point. The end of the day, though, the teacher was attempting to do good for this kid and we all just watch as they throw it back in their face.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This may be a hot take but as someone in my 40s I don't think anybody in their 80s has a fucking clue what's good for me.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's true but who do you think keeps voting for these fucks?

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Boomers primarily.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To bad they also have no idea how they foreclosed our future, though the window for them to not have to confront the awful cynicism of their choices has justttt about closed (you can actually see the gates now off in the distance, they are the 33 named storms expected by quite shellshocked meterologists and storm forecasters to pummel the Carribean and North America this summer in what is projected to be one of the worst hurricane seasons on record by about as far as the distance is between the sea temperatures off the coast of Africa where hurricanes are born are being ALREADY AT THE TEMPERATURES THEY NORMALLY ONLY REACH IN LATE JUNE OR JULY and whatever the shitty record used to be)

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml -5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Keep voting for 99% Hitler instead of 100% gets us to the same place

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

Biden is not fuckin Hitler, you enlightened genius!

Keep voting for ~~Ralph Nader~~ ~~Gary Johnson~~ ... err I mean Jill Stein instead of doing something useful.

Seriously, what's the worse that could happen? It's not like ~~Bush will get us into a massive war and end any hope at fighting climate change~~ err I mean, it's not like ~~Trump will enflame the ongoing war in the Middle East and decimate any chance the Supreme Court will side with minorities for an entire generation~~ no wait, I mean, surely Trump won't imprison his political enemies and dismantle the electoral process.

Ignore what I crossed out; it's just American history. You probably wouldn't be interested

[–] diablexical@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Game theory is a tough subject, but it would be worth it for you to study to understand how you are acting against your less preferred candidate and helping what should be your least preferred candidate (assuming your ranked choice has the republican nominee below the democratic nominee).

Keep voting for 99% … gets us to the same place

You make it seem as though your protest vote does not also get us to the same place? Many voters have shared your mentality and voted accordingly for the past 200+ years and it’s not made a difference, what makes you think this time things will change?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -4 points 7 months ago

In "The Ultimatum Game," the first player makes an offer of how to split $100 with a second player, who can then choose whether to accept or deny the offer. If they accept, they split the money as proposed, if they refuse, neither of them get anything.

The game theory rational outcome is for the first player to offer $99-$1, and for the second player to accept. Assuming, of course, that the first player knows the second will act according to game theory rationality. In real life, when experiments have been done, people tend to reject offers past about $70-$30. Because people tend to have a minimum line, it makes more sense to make offers more generous than $99-$1.

There's a good reason why people behave that way. It's because, in practice, when a comparable situation comes up, it's usually not just a one and done interaction. The second player can tell the first what they will or won't accept, and if they accept something less than what they said, they lose credibility in the future. In that sort of situation, the worst possible thing for the second player to tell the first is that they intend to act according to their rational self-interest, that they'll accept any offer because it's better than getting nothing.

I would argue that this situation is analogous to voting. The politicians make an offer on how much they'll do for you vs how much they'll benefit themselves, and the voter has the option to accept or refuse the offer. Just as in the above example, it's sometimes better to refuse a bad offer even if the alternative is worse, in order to gain bargaining power and credibility in the future. Meanwhile, following a strategy of "lesser-evilism" guarantees that you will only ever be offered 99-1 splits, because they know you'll accept 1 rather than zero.

Sometimes, an "irrational" strategy can be more effective than what appears to be game theory rational on the surface level.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 10 points 7 months ago

Biden isn't 99% Hitler though

The only stickler really is the Israeli support, which he is trying to stop. He isn't even actively pursuing it.

So it is 20% Hitler at best, and dropping.