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[–] LennethAegis@kbin.social 60 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I don't know much about him, but reading that he lost the young people vote for supporting the Vietnam War is such a good parallel for today.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Damn, it sounds like he shouldn't have supported that war. If only people had warned him about it.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Here's a cool tidbit that's probably gonna end up in the history books.

When asked if the protests have made him reconsider his policies in the region, Biden said "no."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-speaks-college-protests-israel-gaza-war/story?id=109870179

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

LBJ realized he'd made a giant mistake and hoped Humphrey could end the War. Nixon ran as a 'peace' candidate and made things much worse.

Trump's people would nuke the entire Middle East hoping to bring about the Rapture.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At what point does Biden realize he's made a giant mistake? You're lecturing us for not paying attention to history. Is Biden?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Turn it around.

Can you lay out a detailed plan showing Biden exactly what to do? Something that covers not just the Palestinians and the Israelis, but alos the iranians, the sryians, the russians, the Saudis, and all the other interested and highly armed parties in the region?

I have no idea how to restart a problem that's been formenting since 1948, do you?

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Stop shipping weapons to Israel.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you think it's that simple, you probably believed Trump was going to get Mexico to pay for the Wall.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You asked me a question and I answered it. Are you going to answer my question now?

At what point does Biden realize he’s made a giant mistake? You’re lecturing us for not paying attention to history. Is Biden?

Or hell, let me ask you. Given the choice between supporting Israel or Biden winning the election which would you choose?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're very funny.

You act as if you have absolutely zero understanding of the complexities of the situation, and then demand that I ignore them, too.

Israel has nukes. Think they wouldn't use them if Iran invaded? Think they wouldn't throw a few at Mecca and Moscow as a farewell gift?

That's just one thing I've thought about. Biden probably has fifty worse scenarios from people who have studied the situation for years.

Pretending that just stopping is a realistic option is childish at best.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Are you upset that the choice you have in front of you is too reductive?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In a word, yes.

I say that it's an incredibly complex situation that has baffled some of the finest political and diplomatic minds of the past 100 years.

You say it isn't complicated.

Just remember that Israel has nuclear weapons, and I for one would not like to see those weapons get used.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

In a word, yes.

Yes I agree it's upsetting when the choice placed in front of you is too reductive. I know exactly how you feel. But sometimes that's how life is. What's your choice?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Biden is dealing with a hugely complex issue that has baffled diplomats for over a century.

My choice is to trust Biden. The other option is to not vote for him and hope that Trump doesn't do more of the stuff he did last time; allow mobs to kill innocent people; destroy the economy; roll back enviromental laws; roll back LGBTQ+ laws; make abortion a punishable offence; and Trump would probably give Israel more nukes.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 6 months ago

I don't trust Biden one bit. Still better than Trump, though.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago

Biden can't decide that

It was decided by a treaty like 75 years ago.

To overthrow it would take massive changes and breaking contracts. Doable, but not in the time frame you want.

It really isn't as simple as you think.

[–] misspacific@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

jesus, well this is cementing my choice to move to a deep blue state to get away from people politicizing my existence.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Assuming you're in the LGBT spectrum ... sorry to say even there you might not be safe if Trump gets a second term. Things have softened for the LGB so those folks might be okay, but trans folks ... I'd be worried.

It also weakens purple states and national power when blue voters move out of purple states... Personally, I'd highly encourage folks moving to purple states to turn them more blue.

Michigan or Pennsylvania might be a good choice. I keep holding out for Ohio, but we need to give the gerrymandering issues (hopefully we finally will this year).

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago

As a trans person in a deep blue state, I'm hoping my state's politics give me just enough buffer time that I can find a way to GTFO before the gestapo comes for me

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Yeah, nowhere is confirmed safe. Fascism is attempting to ascend. Welcome to the 1930s, get a passport and fill a backpack with non perishable calorie dense food.

[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Living in Ohio with my trans husband, we're moving to Vermont this summer to get away from it all. I feel like I'm shirking my duty by taking our votes with us, but we really don't want to be here come November. Ohio has gone to Trump two for two, and I'm not feeling lucky on number three.

[–] Entropywins@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Do what's right for you and your partner, and then we can all continue to work on community, state, and country!!!

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 2 points 6 months ago

I'll miss your vote, but I totally get it. Stay safe!

[–] snownyte@kbin.social 1 points 6 months ago

Go to Vermont. Like, seriously. Even though that state has a republican governor, Vermont is like one of the few states that gives a shit about a lot of rights.