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[–] hark@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Supporting genocide or not supporting genocide. Gee, what a tough choice.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

sigh

Study a little US history and you’ll find we’ve struggled with that question pretty much since the nation’s founding.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It's not been much of a struggle. We've almost always been solidly in favor

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Before Pearl Harbor, the US was totally fine with what the Nazis were doing in Europe, even going as far as to disparage Jewish people and refuse to allow them to come from Europe to the US for asylum. Seems things never change and our leaders consistently have no problem being on the wrong side of history.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 months ago

Probably wouldn't have had an issue or done anything in Europe if nazis didn't declare war on us

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

small pox blankets have entered the chat

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

The fact that the US has made bad choices doesn't make not supporting genocide a complex question

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

It does beg the question, what other pressures is he facing and why would he bow to them?

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In your words of a tough choice… The moral choice is not tough. The quick “just do it” take is not tough. It’s easy to just throw all in.

The actual steps that must be made at the level of potus are tough even with the will. The time, the complexity, the repercussions, the fallout… the reality that is a little less clear than “all or nothing” is hard. The ship does not turn on a dime.

Not disagreeing with you but just saying it’s not a simple choice, but instead a tough direction in a world where the GOP sees presidential powers only apply to republicans and democrats aren’t even citizens.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are many things that can be done, but biden isn't doing any of them. There are also things he could simply not do (e.g. supplying weapons), but he goes out of his way to do them. I'd understand if biden was trying to do the right thing, but he's really not.

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I would argue that they are being done but you’re not seeing the effects quite yet.

I can dig it. While the compromise is unfortunately still ongoing, it’s important to not get caught up in compromise

[–] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

You can argue it but you would be dead fucking wrong.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Until we know those details, your just projecting cope.

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Recognizing the speed of reality isn’t projecting anything and learn to spell.

[–] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

How hard is to just not sign a piece of paper that gives tens of billions to Israel? Seems pretty easy to me.