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Voting does make you complicit in the things the candidate has said they will do. For example, if the candidate says “I will get rid of abortion” then voting for them means you are partially responsible if they actually do get rid of abortion. Or if they say “I will kill all the gays” or “I will lock up all non-Christians” then don’t act all surprised pikachu face when it happens.
It’s not a blood pact, but it’s not a football game either where you’re just rooting for your team. You have to weigh the consequences of casting a vote for someone and decide if you can live with the possible outcomes and/or pick the lesser of two evils.
If you don't pick the lesser of two evils, you're saying you're okay with the greater.
Man, the famed revolutionary Robespierre once said, "To rule innocently is insanity." He was wrong about numerous other things, but he fucking nailed that on the head. There are no good decisions in positions of power. If you fail oh-so-nobly, the nobility of your fall and refusal to compromise with your ideals isn't going to save a single goddamn person, and there's a good goddamn chance it'll kill many, many more. Every decision has costs in the lives of innocent people, and there is no abstention from that that is anything more than giving license to the currently-occurring trends happening.
In a democracy, we share power. The more democratic the society, the more power is shared - and the power that is shared also comes with responsibility for what that power does. The modern US is less democratic than it should be, but it's much more democratic than pre-Enlightenment societies - or prior incarnations of the US, for that matter. We all have blood on our hands, because we all have a share of the decision-making power.
We must choose the option that improves things to most - or damages things the least - to the best of our ability, whether in voting, organizing, protesting; all of it. And abrogation of that decision-making responsibility in any area is not abrogation of guilt; it is acceptance of the worse of the results.
I think the best analogy I've heard had compared voting to transportation. If you're at the office and want to go home, there probably isn't a train that goes directly to your front door. So you get on the train heading in the right direction, and maybe at the end of that line you still need to take a bus and walk a couple blocks, but that's how you ultimately get where you want to go. Otherwise you're going to be in the same spot waiting for a perfect train that's not coming.
This assumes any trains will get you closer to your destination.
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If Biden stopped supporting genocide, you would board the other train.
Yeah this is what I called out in my other comment. The pathetically stupid idea that anyone not simping for trump loves genocide
I'm voting for Biden. I get that you want to cast any opposition to genocide as simping for your close second choice, but it ain't so.
Biden should stop supporting genocide, even if though that will lose him your vote.
Lol dumb as fuck. Yeah I'm so sure you're voting for Biden right after spending months campaigning against him every fucking day. Then when trump wins and destroys what's left of democracy, you totally won't be happy about it. Because of course the Palestinians will all be in concentration camps and it will be big bad Biden's fault because he personally put them there along with somehow everyone who didn't personally fellate trump every day on social media.
Yeah, I'm sure you oppose genocide even though all you do is spam abuse at people who express the slightest misgivings about supporting it.
Yep you've found the perfect cover alright. /s
You keep calling me a liar after saying you wouldn't respond to me anymore.
I have yet to see you say that you oppose genocide, or that Biden should stop supporting it. But you're vicious toward anyone who says he should stop.
I don't give a shit if you can't understand that in that context "responding" meant to your sealioning.
Maybe "if you disagree with me, you kill babies" isn't the slam dunk argument you think it is. There is only one political party in America to regularly use it, so your canvassing against Biden also makes sense through that lens.
You're going to compare my opposition to the genocide you live to support to Republicans' opposition to abortion now?
Netanyahu is committing genocide. Biden is supporting his efforts, and you're attacking anyone who has a problem with that.
This is exactly what anti-choice people do when they say their opposition supports killing babies. The reality is that I've noticed your anti-Biden rhetoric 100 times that I've not responded to it, yet once again you're trying to lie and say that I'm all over the internet jumping on anyone for simply having any issue whatsoever with "opposing genocide".
You're just creating a straw man to argue against. Those who oppose you "love genocide". You say it over and over. It's fucking transparent as hell. Anyone arguing in good faith would never do this.
Fine, I made an assumption based on how angry you get when I say that Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Let's get some clarity here: do you support Netanyahu's genocide?
It's a ridiculous question. Of course not. Basically no one does. Especially when you word it like that, they wouldn't.
But according to you, like 50% of the internet LOVES GENOCIDE. It's a absurdist non-starter accusation.
Do you support fascism? (since we're playing this game)
I once thought so, and then the head of my party sold weapons to a genocidal madman, with the enthusiastic support of the right flank of the Democratic Party.
I mean, Republicans certainly do, and they're not an insignificant presence on the internet. And plenty of Democrats lose their fucking shit at the suggestion that Biden should cease his support for genocide.
No. I very much do not. It's why seeing the "good" party so enthusiastically embracing one of fascism's hallmarks upsets me so greatly.
Ya see, "embracing" is absolutely not what I see anywhere. People like yourself are blaming the whole thing on Biden as if they slightly understand geopolitics. They don't. Besides the shit talking there are a lot of people threatening to withhold their vote. Either people are braindeadedly stupid and haven't learned a fucking thing since 2016 or they flat out don't care if trump is elected. So I'm led to believe a lot of these people want trump in the Whitehouse but want to be seen as enlightened centrists. Probably Russian paid, a lot of them
If what you mean by "enthusiastically embracing" is actually people just saying that Biden can't magically fix this, well, then my assessment of your rhetoric was dead on. I don't know where you're seeing anything that could be accurately described that way, but I literally have never seen that a single time. Zero times
Oh, I don't blame the whole thing on Biden. Netanyahu is most directly to blame, of course. You ignored where I said that Republicans support Netanyahu's genocide. They were instrumental in making sure the Ukraine funding bill was also a Israel funding bill.
But I blame Biden for selling Netanyahu weapons, because Biden sold Netanyahu weapons. I blame him for the actions of the executive branch though the state department in running interference for Netanyahu at the UN. His hands were not tied in either instance, and I don't like what he chose to do.
I've never said he could. But he could cease his support. He could stop selling Netanyahu weapons. He could stop abusing the US' permanent veto for Netanyahu. He hasn't stopped. I hope he does.