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Democrats need to pull themselves together and remember: Biden is still better than Trump
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Someone who has helped commit genocide vs someone who hasn't yet. Sure. When you consistently vote the party no matter what they do then you give your voting power away. Start punishing them with your vote and see how quickly the switch up and come to the table.
We punish Biden by electing Trump? Ok, so then Trump does the genocide here against everyone he hates, while also supporting the genocides abroad.
How does that help us exactly?
Outlandish hyperbole is not persuasive.
Ask trans people how they feel about Florida and red states.
I'm afraid of another Trump presidency, too, but no group in America is facing genocide if Trump is elected. There may even be life and death consequences, but don't create a false equivalency with an actual genocide.
"Trump, whose administration was staunchly pro-Israel, affirmed that he was “firmly in Israel’s camp,” as host Brian Kilmeade put it, and said he supports Israel’s ongoing offensive on Gaza, which has killed more than 30,000 Palestinians. “You have to finish the problem,” the former president said."
"Turning to domestic policy, Trump rehashed many of his long-standing claims on immigration, including that migrants are “poisoning” America. “People are coming from jails and prisons, and mental institutions and insane asylums, and there are terrorists,” he said of undocumented migrants crossing the southern border into the United States. “What they are doing to our country is incredible; they are poisoning our country. And we’re going to close the border and deport the people; we’re going to get them out.”"
"As previously reported by Rolling Stone, Trump has basked in criticism of his rhetoric on immigration and privately vowed to take things even further. “The [former] president said he’s going to keep doing it, he’s going to keep saying they’re poisoning the blood of the nation and destroying and killing the country … He says it’s a ‘great line,’” one source said in December."
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-israel-finish-problem-gaza-1234981038/
"At a recent rally, former President Donald Trump used language in a speech that echoed Adolf Hitler, comparing his political opponents to "vermin."
"We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country," he told a New Hampshire crowd.
There were other nods to authoritarianism in the speech. Trump praised Hungary's strongman leader: "The head of Hungary – very tough, strong guy – Viktor Orban," Trump told the audience, adding approvingly, "He didn't allow millions of people to invade his country.""
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/17/1213746885/trump-vermin-hitler-immigration-authoritarian-republican-primary
"All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning," Hitler wrote.
"He poisons the blood of others but preserves his own blood unadulterated," Hitler wrote of Jewish males allowing Jewish females to marry white Christians.
"Whenever Aryans have mingled their blood with that of an inferior race, the result has been the downfall of the people who were the standard-bearers of a higher culture," he wrote in another passage.
https://www.axios.com/2023/12/30/trump-poisoning-the-blood-racism
When Biden starts getting his speeches from Mein Kampf, then and only then will you have a point.
I love how people don't quote what trump fully said about the israel issue and just the "finish it up" why don't you also quote the part where he said you have to get peace? Why don't you also quote that it was a departure and that he didn't condition it on the release of hostages? (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html)
This attempt to show biden as better is pathetic when biden has not been kind to any immigrants and he has slaughtered many in the mid east. Im sorry to break it to you but neither are your friends and this game of "better of the two evils" doesn't work when you have someone committing genocide.
Normally I'd give the benefit of the doubt on this, but with the context of the other statements on "blood poisoning" so closely matching Hitler's, I'm calling bullshit.
Yeah, the Nazis wanted "peace" as well, in the form of the Aryan race being the only on the planet.
That implies I'm trying to show Biden is good. I'm not. Biden is terrible.
But I'd rather have terrible than terrible and dead.
Biden is literally facilitating genocide. I'm not sure why you think Biden's words are so important when his actions are on display.
Sure is, it's awful. I don't disagree.
Biden is peddling some bullshit on this issue, but facilitation will always be better than outright encouragement for full elimination of Palestinians.
And under Biden's america. the U.S. isn't genociding anybody in the U.S., Trump seems keen on changing that.
No, actually. Providing the actual bombs to do the genocide is worse than mere words of encouragement.
Trump has no plans to kill people en mass in the U.S. Now you're just inventing things.
https://english.aawsat.com/home/article/2595481/trump-approves-f-22-sale-israel
Hitler only started with deportations.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deportations
Fascism doesn't announce it is planning on genociding people until it's already in full swing, and even then they do the apologist routine.
Meanwhile Trump is promising mass deportation. He's not going to stop there.
Are you saying this genocide started under Biden? Trump went out of his way to make things worse for Palestinians, from moving the embassy to Jerusalem to the assassination of Soleimani. There's a township in the Golan Heights named after Trump.
How does the assassination of solemani have anything to do with it? He's an iranian general. And yes the slaughter did start under biden but the occupation, zionist oppression and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians has been there since the british mandate of Palestine. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem certainly did not help the Palestinians and im not saying its gonna be better under him. What I'm saying like many others is that we won't vote for someone who's basically committed the genocide. I'd rather punish him then have him in office again and I'd rather play the game of chance of maybe setting a precedence forward that genocide won't help you get elected again.
I love the morons coming to attack this post. It did make a difference if you pay attention to anything the burden administration has done recently. Is it what we wanted i.e. not sending weaponry to this country? No. Does it get their attention? Absolutely. Does it affect change? Absolutely.
Russia has killed Ukrainian civilians en masse and captured children. There were mass graves of civilians when Russia took Mariupol. If Ukraine is unable to defend itself, Russia will continue to commit a genocide. Biden has expressed support for Ukraine and wants to continue funding their defense. Trump and Republicans won't want to help Ukraine.
How will you vote? Will you vote against allowing a genocide, or will you allow two genocides to occur instead?
Oh also -- how well did abstaining votes work in 2016 compared to 2020 again? How far right did the country swing? Did voters seek a progressive, or did they favor a centrist?
You're completely incorrect. Abstaining votes gives you no power. Voting gives you power and leverage. Politicians care about likely voters, not non voters.
Don't worry - the same people who say "BOTH SIDES! I WON'T SUPPORT BIDEN OR TRUMP!" are very often in favor of Ukrainian genocide, because of Russia's "Security Interests(tm)".
Curious, that.
Ukraine's war shows us who's actually progressive and anti imperialist, and who's just anti US regardless of the position. It's been enlightening.