Antiwork/Work Reform
A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
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Date Created: June 15, 2023
Date Updated: July 17, 2023
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The Anti-Work Library 📚
Essential Reads
Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
- On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
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Contact an employment lawyer. Yes in at-will states they can fire you, but for any legal reason. If they just fired you for "no reason" then something fishy is going on for sure.
No reason is a legal reason, unfortunately.
Damn america fucking sucks, OP just come up north bud we have maple syrup
American here, you Canadians are amazing and I hope you guys continue to make us look bad, it's good for competition and keeps our politicians sweating.
As if they were able to compare themselves and learn anything.
Was going to say this myself. Our politicians don't care. They have the power they want.
I don't think that they are capable of sweating
Ontario is also "at will". I think a lot of Canada is, if I remember right.
As a german, what the f is even at will? They can fire you whenever they want for whatever reason they want? How are you all living like this?
Pretty much, at-will means the employee can quit for no reason and/or be dismissed for no reason.
I wouldn't call it "living" either...
Copious propaganda, debt, and distraction.
This is wrong.
Any employer anywhere can fire you for a legal reason. Employers in at-will states can fire employees for no reason. In fact, that is the main practical distinction of at-will states in this regard, it's what "at will" means.
Even in an at-will state, an employer can still not fire you for an explicitly illegal reason, but unless they are stupid enough to tell you (it happens), good luck proving that it was for an illegal reason.
@OP, sure contact an employment lawyer, but ask if they provide a first consultation for free. I would not actually pay for a lawyer if I were you unless I were much more certain that there is a chance of success.
Thanks for more clarifying info.
I won't be contacting an attorney because I don't think I have a case. They would not give a reason why I was let go, only that we have to go our separate ways and the people I can contact within the organization cannot get answers from them.
It kind of sounds like they just used you until they didn't think they needed you anymore, which is unfortunate. I hope you find a better place to go.
You have it backwards. They can’t fire you for an illegal reason. These are known as protected classes. But they can fire you for any reason that’s not protected. And “no reason” isn’t protected, so it’s legal.
For the curious, the protected classes are: Race, color, religion or creed, national origin or ancestry, sex (including gender identity, pregnancy, and sexual orientation), age, or disability.
So you can’t fire someone for being black, but you can fire them because you don’t like the way they smell, because you don’t like their personality, because their favorite color is purple, or just because you feel like it. As long as you don’t say you’re firing them for one of those illegal reasons, it’ll be very hard for them to sue.
And employers know this, so they almost always list it as “no reason” to avoid any potential lawsuits from words getting twisted against them. For instance, maybe you fire someone because you don’t like the way they smell, but then they try and twist that into “you fired me because I smell like curry, and therefore you fired me for my race.” So to avoid anything potentially being used against them, they’ll simply list it as “no cause.” Unless the firing was for cause, (which basically means you fucked up while working there,) and they want to avoid paying your unemployment insurance. In those cases, they’ll build a case against you, then fire you once they have a binder full of real/imagined company policy violations to throw at you.
The only way OP would be able to sue is if they’re able to prove a pattern of behavior against a protected class from the employer. For instance, maybe a new manager gets hired, then every single black person gets fired within the next few weeks. If those workers come together, they can show a pattern of behavior that the manager is racist and fired them for being black, even though the manager didn’t explicitly state that the firing was due to racism. But that’s hard to prove and requires a lot of documentation on the employees’ part.