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The Toyota Sienna can apparently tow ~~3.5 tonnes~~ 3500 lbs and carry 8 passengers. Average mpg while not towing is 36 too.
But most people don't tow anything ever and a van would be just fine.
Clearly I'm not most people then.
It can tow 3500. 1.5 tons and that isn't a lot. Not as much as an SUV with a towing package and not even close to a 1/2 ton truck.
My b, 3500lbs. Most families aren't towing anything though. I'm not going to disparage anyone with a truck who needs to tow or haul a bunch. But there are people who don't tow anything and complain about midsize SUVs not having enough space for their family but balk at the idea of a van.
I'm so tired of hearing this. I've met like maybe 1 truck owner who never uses it "correctly". Y'all are inventing some imaginary figure in your heads from a 15 year old survey.
It may depend on where you live and work.
Of the ones I know, they either have big caravans, or rural properties where they genuinely need an off road vehicle.
Having wet, damp gear in a separate part of the vehicle is also useful.
Yeah, 1.5 tonne sounds more reasonable.
Won't tow construction equipment or a large boat or caravan, or travel off road, of course.
Bullshit. Show me the spec sheet.
Also, people movers generally aren't made to move adults, eight manual labourers would be a tight fit, and leave no room for luggage.
Sorry, 3500 lbs. I'm not arguing that a minivan is a good work vehicle btw, but most families looking at SUVs would be better with a van. That's my argument.
As a former Sienna owner, they are great for families, and absolutely cavernous. Very practical for most families.
Towing is a pop up camper or small boat. I suppose a utility trailer would work, but it’s easier to just fold down or pop out seats and I’ve always made it fit.
Definitely not a work truck, and in particular that third row bench is constraining for adults
The two most common use cases where I live for a ute or pickup is a tradie or tech that wants one vehicle to serve as a work vehicle and a family car, or someone who wants the towing capacity of a ute or SUV. Neither one can really use a van, as trade vans only have one row of seats.
Most SUV owners want the towing capacity and ground clearance of an SUV.