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[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You might, but most don't. Most people love working as long as they are passionate about what they are doing. You might find that you wander for a while, but eventually take that time to develop a skill or lean into researching something that benefits, not only you, but society as a whole.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The issue being "as long as they are passionate about what they are doing". Unfortunately, there's a lot of jobs where there's no where near enough people with passion for the job. You know anyone signing up to drive a garbage truck around all day long? Anyone excited at the prospect of volunteering at the sewage treatment plant? You might have some volunteers to help dementia patients, but not nearly enough and most would quite very soon after realuzing how hellish it can be.

We need more than passion to motivate. That's not too say it's impossible to get to a guaranteed basic level of living for people to feel more safe and secure about how bad it could get, but there needs to be some room to motivate beyond intrinsic passion for the work.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No one is suggesting volunteers. What's being proposed is that a baseline of security is provided. A roof over your head, food, access to education ,and just enough money to survive. With those things guaranteed, now people are freed to pursue careers like those you have suggested. When people no longer have to worry about survival, the vast majority will spend their time on pursuing a better life for themselves. That in turn leads to a stronger and more profitable society.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

That description may be fine, but you had stated "so long as they are passionate about it", and that is unfortunately omitting a great deal of work we, as yet, still need humans doing yet no one or not enough people will possibly be passionate about it.

The "we might be able to afford a base level of viable living so no one has to have a crisis but still people will want to buy stuff and this they still will pursue income" I can agree with, but there will still be crap jobs and some folks will have to do them.

In terms of "no one is suggesting", there are sincere "anti work" people who claim no one should ever need to do any work they wouldn't want to do for free". In this example, there's a lot of room for ambiguity about what they are describing, basic viable living versus pretty comfortable living.

I'm my mind, there needs to be some heavier incentive towards paying more for robots for dangerous work, and more time to share responsibility for crap work. Like instead of a system where one guy gets stuck every day going to the sewage plant, you somehow have people with multiple jobs such that they only do sewage treatment like twice a month and you have 15 people with that arrangement rather than a full time guy.