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Well, you wouldn't buy a 10 year old used laptop, but I drive my second 06 Forester, almost 20 years old.

But for a new car, fucked.

You have to hunt really, really, hard to find a model without all the shit. I picked up my teenager an outlander Sport last summer.

All the reviews said: the infotainment is dated and older. The engine and transmission hasn't changed in 5 years with no major issues.... Perfect.

Lots of physical buttons and the infotainment center is not critical for the car to function. No climate control settings on it etc. Carplay and AndroidAuto only play through the USB. No OnStar, wifi, or cellphone connectivity.

I do most of my own maintenance after having some clusterfucks at mechanics. I simply follow the manual and check things off. It's the easiest car I have maintained since the 80's. An oil change on it takes 5 minutes. On my wife's Ford escape it takes 5 minutes to get the fucking cover off to get to the oil plug.

I will probably buy another one for my other son in a year when he starts driving.

Well for starters. You're in for a shock when you see prices.

No longer can you buy a car for under 10k that just works.

Let me put it this way: don't. Or consider buying a newer used car.

$0.02: If you can keep your 2004 on the road for less than a new car payment, and can suffer the downtime for repair, just don't. The price of new vehicles is way more out-of-whack with inflation and wages than ever before. Also, it looks like manufacturers have become more crafty at steering you back to the dealership for repairs.

My recent new car experience, after retiring a 17 year old vehicle, left me floored with how normalized "spending the day at the dealership" had become. They almost fought me to drop the car off for a recall at a scheduled appointment time, instead of just using the key drop. No thanks, I won't be watching bad cable, drinking bad coffee, all while huffing new tire and brake cleaner fumes all day. This is not the great service you think it is, thank you.

Prices have gone berserk. New tech and safety features you get are great, if implemented well. Going for a more reliable and conservative car brand might be better for you, and don't ever buy anything that has capacitative buttons instead of physical ones. Hopefully, safety agencies will downright outlaw this shitty trend soon.

All new cars still do the normal car functions, they just also do more stuff that you don’t have to use. Turning off lane assist was one of the first things I did in line since my state refuses to paint lines more than once a decade and refuses to spray off the temp lines from construction projects so it freaked out and tried steering me all the time because it couldn’t read lanes well.

Don’t listen to people saying you’re screwed, spend 30 minutes going through settings, the dealer should help with this if asked, and then drive like every other car in the last 30 years

Your wallet is pretty fucked but I got a 2023 Honda Odyssey and I never loved an automobile like this in my life. It's a perfect vehicle by my measure.