I mean, trump seems obvious. Unstable wannabe tyrant/dictator from a party of evangelical theocrats, criminal, fraudster, blatant liar, thief, rapist, sycophant of dictators, insurrectionist, wife beater...and we haven't even dug in to the party that supports this behavior along with their LGBTQ hate, restricting womens' rights, voter fraud, election fraud, gun rights > your life, handing everything to the billionaires, environmental destruction of most every kind, and of course their NAZI underpinnings.

Joe is a career politician with all the baggage that goes with that, but he's not actively and willfully sabotaging the country.

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 72 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

One has worked with Bernie Sanders and helped get some his goals achieved in policy and legislature.

The other hired his own children despite their inability to get security clearances, cheated on his wife while she was at home with their newborn, paid illegal hush money over that matter, stole classified documents and likely gave them to adversaries, likely compromised national security multiple times, sowed doubt in our elections with zero evidence to back it up, blew up the debt, fucked up the Supreme Court and has said he’d ignore the constitution, term limits all of that.

But both sides amirite?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The list is so long I’d forgotten about that stuff too.

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yea but don’t forget, since I’m not getting 100% of what I want, the way I want, achieved precisely when I want it… then they are both the same.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Maybe.

“I let my hatred willfully blind me to admitting trump is a sack of shit and I’d prefer a dictatorship to democracy if that pisses off the libs. Bonus: I get to be a bastard too because the libs will be shut up unless they want to go to a reeducation camp.”

More likely.

E: I re-read what you said and realized I didn’t get it right. Do Dems really think like that, or is it just general apathy of some Dems and the independent voters?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Seth Meyers had a pretty good list at the beginning of this segment a couple weeks ago

https://youtu.be/GT2WmC0YS9Q

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[–] PanoptiDon@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago (2 children)

To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. "Can I interest you in the chicken?" she asks. "Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it? To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.

David Sedaris

[–] ralakus@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And then not voting is like the attendant coming back after everyone else has made their choice but she only has one of the options left for you

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And you HAVE TO eat it.

[–] Chemical@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

And then watch videos of eating it 3-4 times a day for the next 4 years.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

I thought primaries were still happening? Not the general election.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Both are objectively terrible, the Democrats are tepid liberals that are trying to put band-aids on gaping holes in a sinking ship rather than solving the underlying issues.

The GOP is, of course, fascist, and thus far worse, but in the sinking ship that is America, continuing to sink without fixing the underlying issues is bad as well.

Actually fixing the problems is far greater than the DNC, which is far greater than the GOP.

Edit: no, I'm not advocating for third party voting, I plan on voting for Biden, because I believe change must come from below. Begging the DNC to fix the gaping problems with American society will never get anything done, ever. Organize, donate to strike funds, actually try to build pressure from below.

[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People really seem to think Biden should have a magic wand, or should somehow impose things the majority of Americans are against and when he can't they say he's the devil. It's so silly.

I'm far more radical left than most people and I've come to accept that, I have faith in the strength of my ideas and that they'll displace capitalism but understand it'll be a struggle and a fight. Biden has very likely literally no concept of the ideals I value, I imagine it'd take me hours to explain the importance of open source software for example and I don't expect he'd take it on board very seriously even at best so of course I wouldn't pick him as the leader of my.movememt but that's not what people are being asked to pick, they're picking the president of the whole country so of course he's also going to have to work in the existing frameworks and with the many factions that exist.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

I don't expect Biden to do anything other than continue the American Liberal project, but I'm also not a reformist, I don't believe it's possible to vote Capitalism into Socialism. I only vote for Biden because it appears to me that it is easier to organize a grassroots movement under liberals than under fascists.

Liberalism won't make America better, it just won't make it fascist as quickly as the fascist party.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If it wasn't for his position regarding Israel and Palestine, I would have been pleasantly surprised by Biden overall. His administration seemed to be making a lot of good moves for a bunch of liberals.

[–] CyberDine@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Joe is a self-admitted Zionist. He's also a U.S. President and unfortunately for the Palestinians, U.S. hegemony in the Middle East is entirely predicated on a stable U.S.-friendly Country (i.e Israel) in the region.

"If we didn't have an Israel, we'd probably have to make one." ~Joe Biden

It's a shit-trap, for any POTUS regardless of their personal beliefs

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

That depends what you think the greatest threats to quality of life for the average in American are. I believe the greatest threat is the corrupt system, which gives more power and money to the rich and screws over almost everyone else, and both of those candidates are firmly entrenched in it.

They both know and embrace their role in that system, although they would phrase it in different terms.

Finally, you asked about objective terribleness. But there is no such thing. This is all subjective, because of course it is, the country has hundreds of millions of residents who all have different priorities.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de -3 points 7 months ago

It is a choice between pest and cholera one might be a bit less bad than the other, but realistically you don't want either.