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[–] zalack@kbin.social 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

No system of government can withstand 50% of its participants being bad actors.

I honestly don't know how we get out of this situation without aggressively litigating politicians that have committed crimes. That requires overwhelming political will, though, and it's obvious now how important Fox News and Right Wing radio has been to creating an atmosphere where that will doesn't exist.

[–] golamas1999@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want to say maybe 20% to 30%.

It’s very scary. As an ethnic minority I am only as safe as my government lets me be.

You can go from democratic Weimar Republic to Nazi Germany in a space of a few years.

[–] zalack@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Of the population, sure. But I meant of the actual political actors in the system, Republicans make up about half as they are overrepresented when compared to the population.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The way to bring Republicans to heel is for them to keep losing until they give up and try something else.

Between 1860 and 1912 exactly one Democrat - Grover Cleveland - managed to be elected president; Woodrow Wilson ended that streak in 1912 in no small part by breaking with his party to embrace progressive reforms (though the intra-party GOP split between TR and Taft also helped), and while Wilson was one of the worst racists to ever inhabit the White House, that embrace of progressivism nevertheless set the stage for the era of Democratic dominance under/after FDR.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

What dominance. I have seen 8 years of reagan, 4 of bush sr, 8 clinton, 8 bush jr., 9 obama, 4 trump, and getting to 4 biden. The majority for me has been unfortunately republican.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I honestly don’t know how we get out of this situation without aggressively litigating politicians that have committed crimes.

I think this would actually make the situation worse. Donald Trump has successfully made a mockery of our entire justice system, by convincing half the people in this country that the cases against him are a big conspiracy theory/witch hunt while also trumping up (no pun intended) charges against his own political enemies and getting the GOP to support him.

Now take the fact that the overwhelming majority of people accused of crimes in government right now are Republican -- Trump and all of his lackeys, the multiple judges on the SC accepting bribes, George Santos being George Santos (or whoever the fuck he is), Gaetz sleeping with underage girls, etc. etc. etc., and there's absolutely no way you'd be able to aggressively litigate politicians without adding metric fucktons of fuel to the belief of those on the right that such charges are little more than political witch hunts.

And while the obvious reply to that is "Their opinions don't matter, we should be pursuing justice", you are correct. But you'd also be ignoring the reality that there are a whole hell of a lot of them and they are willing to turn violent if they truly believe that an ongoing series of charges against GOP government officials are politically motivated.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then what are our options? Just lay there and take it? Because I swear if I have to keep eating fucking dirt just to get by while these pigs treat our society like their personal body pillow I'm going to lose my god damn mind. If such blatant disrespect for our society and judicial system continue stability will begin to collapse.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no idea. That's well above my pay grade. All I'm saying is that Trump has spent the past 7 years telling every inbred redneck in 'Murica that the radical left was coming to take their guns and their rights and their religion and the entire system is rigged and they want to censor and jail you for your free speech. Now follow that up with seeing their almighty god-emperor doing a perp walk in an orange jump suit followed by an endless parade of his cronies. If you think that's gonna end peacefully, I've got some bad news for you......

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I don't. I'm thinking this is one of those times where the background noise has escalated to a bloody scream and the time for good endings has passed. The thing is, in a truly civilized society, you don't end up here. We are much closer to our primal states than we all want to admit and the emperors in charge are just now being truly seen in their new clothes. I don't know the question, but I do know the answer that will follow.